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Old 07-28-2014, 01:48 PM
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Re: Christian Life Center Stockton Question

Parkway has dwindled down, as was mentioned. Their founding pastor Frank Tamel just passed away earlier this year (or late last year).

His son Tony is now the Senior Pastor. Lots of waves, ripples, and gossip abound about the current state of the church. I'm not in the know, so I can't say what has been the cause of the loss of membership.

As for Madison, it hit high marks in the early 2000's. A massive inner city outreach and children's campaign flooded the church with new people.

They were using nearly every auxiliary room and Sunday school area just to accommodate everyone since the sanctuary wasn't big enough.

The Senior Pastor John Grant is ailing; his son Roy is pretty much handling all of the pastoral duties now. There is a plan for a new, much larger building, but I don't know where things are on that end.

(And btw, I guess it's called Calvary Gospel, not Calvary Tabernacle.)

http://www.theoakcreekchurch.com/

http://www.calvarygospelchurch.org/cms/
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Parkway has dwindled down, as was mentioned. Their founding pastor Frank Tamel just passed away earlier this year (or late last year).

His son Tony is now the Senior Pastor. Lots of waves, ripples, and gossip abound about the current state of the church. I'm not in the know, so I can't say what has been the cause of the loss of membership.

As for Madison, it hit high marks in the early 2000's. A massive inner city outreach and children's campaign flooded the church with new people.

They were using nearly every auxiliary room and Sunday school area just to accommodate everyone since the sanctuary wasn't big enough.

The Senior Pastor John Grant is ailing; his son Roy is pretty much handling all of the pastoral duties now. There is a plan for a new, much larger building, but I don't know where things are on that end.

(And btw, I guess it's called Calvary Gospel, not Calvary Tabernacle.)

http://www.theoakcreekchurch.com/

http://www.calvarygospelchurch.org/cms/
I have seen a few churches in transition and unfortunately I saw one church that did not survive the changes. While I am happy to report that one church in transition had explosive growth.
So the transition destroyed one church but made another a growing church.

So a change in leadership can destroyed one church to the point that they had to close the church, while the other church was filled beyond capacity?
Time will tell what happens to this church. let us just hope it is for the best.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:54 AM
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I think when a church goes through any major change, whether it be in Pastoral leadership or in philosophy, the key is how it is handled.

With a lot of wisdom and patience a church can make these changes. However if leadership rushes things or does not have the heart of a shepherd in dealing with people then it is easy for many people to feel alienated and then leave.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:02 AM
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I think when a church goes through any major change, whether it be in Pastoral leadership or in philosophy, the key is how it is handled.

With a lot of wisdom and patience a church can make these changes. However if leadership rushes things or does not have the heart of a shepherd in dealing with people then it is easy for many people to feel alienated and then leave.
What many preachers seem to forget is that people vote with their feet.
When the preacher forgets this fact, then his church is in trouble.
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I think CLC runs about 2000 or so... faithfully... I know they are in revival.. they have had over 200 get the Holy Ghost in the last number of weeks..
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Thank God for big and little churches....each soul saved is worth more than all the silver and gold of this world....just thankful for the body of Christ.
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I love NLR but that is natural for me ...I grew up there....
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