Tithing…Is it a command?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, these guys are covinced in their minds, without scripture of course, that the pastors are a type of OT priests(levites) and we are Israel(spiritually lower on the totem pole)....

This is completely bogus and belittling of the calling of us all.....1 Peter 2:9

9 But ye(we) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we (us) should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 1:6


And hath made us(you and I) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.



Their teachings place themselves in a mediator role between us and God....1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus


These men actually believe that they are some kind of higher calling than us and a link to get blessings from the Lord.....LOL

Could not have said it any better. There needs to be an alternative and letting the Holy Ghost lead our gatherings.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Could not have said it any better. There needs to be an alternative and letting the Holy Ghost lead our gatherings.

The example of the early church is clear.

(NLT) Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

(NIV) So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.

The early church was led by men filled with the Holy Ghost.
There is no other alternative.
Only those in rebellion refuse to be under Godly leadership.

When I was in the military we had leaders whom we had to obey, even if we disagree with them, to do otherwise was treason.

As a Christian in the church I often obeyed my pastors even when I disagreed with them.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The example of the early church is clear.

(NLT) Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

(NIV) So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.

The early church was led by men filled with the Holy Ghost.
There is no other alternative.
Only those in rebellion refuse to be under Godly leadership.

When I was in the military we had leaders whom we had to obey, even if we disagree with them, to do otherwise was treason.

As a Christian in the church I often obeyed my pastors even when I disagreed with them.

Maybe we should try the militaristic approach...LOL...then we can court martial the rebels.

Pastor=4 star general
Co Pastor=general
Youth Pastor=major
Music Director=colonel
Soul Winners=lieutenants
New Converts= privates
Unsaved Visitors=recruits

Boot Camp=agree to be lifetime tithing soldier and submit ourselves blindly...LOL

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The example of the early church is clear.

(NLT) Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

(NIV) So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.

The early church was led by men filled with the Holy Ghost.
There is no other alternative.
Only those in rebellion refuse to be under Godly leadership.

When I was in the military we had leaders whom we had to obey, even if we disagree with them, to do otherwise was treason.

As a Christian in the church I often obeyed my pastors even when I disagreed with them.

Yes they are a part of it too. I was thinking about non-forced-tithing churches for an alternative. Sorry-I should have been more clear.

[good samaritan]

Brother, these guys are covinced in their minds, without scripture of course, that the pastors are a type of OT priests(levites) and we are Israel(spiritually lower on the totem pole)....

I never made any of these claims of anyone lower or higher than another. Sounds like their is some pride issues you may be dealing with.

This is completely bogus and belittling of the calling of us all
These men actually believe that they are some kind of higher calling than us and a link to get blessings from the Lord.....LOL

I believe it should be freewill whether you tithe or just randomly give what is on your own heart to give. Any compensation I have received through the ministry has only been used to provide for my family and to allow me to give more of my time to the ministry of others. I do not begin to start naming things that I have done to support the people in the congregation where I pastor. I can say to be such a holier than thou you have broad brushed me to be I have done many things as of recently that the people who are lower in class(according to you) probably wouldn't be doing for one another.

I think those that are greatest among us should be servants of all.

You really sound that you struggle with giving to another minister, because it makes you feel they are higher than you.(sounds like pride)

I am glad to have people over me(I submit myself to others). I can also say that Jesus has used other men in my life to brought me to him. Paul refers to himself as being some people's spiritual father. Sean you sound as if you feel like you owe no man anything in life and you have done everything on your own. I hope I am misunderstanding your posts. The body has many parts and we need one another and it is not that one is better, but all has different purposes.

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, these guys are covinced in their minds, without scripture of course, that the pastors are a type of OT priests(levites) and we are Israel(spiritually lower on the totem pole)....

This is completely bogus and belittling of the calling of us all.....1 Peter 2:9

9 But ye(we) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we (us) should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 1:6


And hath made us(you and I) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.



Their teachings place themselves in a mediator role between us and God....1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus


These men actually believe that they are some kind of higher calling than us and a link to get blessings from the Lord.....LOL

Let me state this clearly, I do not tithe to the Church, nor do I tithe to my Bishop. I tithe as unto the Lord. It is an act of obedience and worship. And, despite my family going through hard right now, I am still worshiping and being obedient to the tithe. Why? Because something my Bishop said, or something some prosperity preacher said? No, because I look at the Cross, and see my life, and Jesus is worth it.

Now, please understand the difference between tithing and offerings. I give an offering as unto the Lord as well, and He does bless this as well. I support the man and woman of God through my offerings to them as unto the Lord, because a workman is worthy of his/her hire. As a minister, I do not elevate myself. No. I hold myself to a higher standard, a stronger standard. Therein is the difference. I am no mediator. I am simply someone who God has called to use where I am where He wants me to be how He wants.

Sean, I do not know who hurt you. I wish they would repent of this before you, and come and ask forgiveness. I do pray, however, that God would allow your heart as well to be humbled before Him so that He would minister healing and hope more than you ever thought possible.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Let me state this clearly, I do not tithe to the Church, nor do I tithe to my Bishop. I tithe as unto the Lord. It is an act of obedience and worship. And, despite my family going through hard right now, I am still worshiping and being obedient to the tithe. Why? Because something my Bishop said, or something some prosperity preacher said? No, because I look at the Cross, and see my life, and Jesus is worth it.

Now, please understand the difference between tithing and offerings. I give an offering as unto the Lord as well, and He does bless this as well. I support the man and woman of God through my offerings to them as unto the Lord, because a workman is worthy of his/her hire. As a minister, I do not elevate myself. No. I hold myself to a higher standard, a stronger standard. Therein is the difference. I am no mediator. I am simply someone who God has called to use where I am where He wants me to be how He wants.

Sean, I do not know who hurt you. I wish they would repent of this before you, and come and ask forgiveness. I do pray, however, that God would allow your heart as well to be humbled before Him so that He would minister healing and hope more than you ever thought possible.

Brother, this may sound foreign to you. But if you DENOUNCE tithing publically, the LORD JESUS will help you with your financial situation. I did that very thing and the exact thing happened to me!

Give it a try, the Lord want to bless you, but MALACHI stands in your way.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, this may sound foreign to you. But if you DENOUNCE tithing publically, the LORD JESUS will help you with your financial situation. I did that very thing and the exact thing happened to me!

Give it a try, the Lord want to bless you, but MALACHI stands in your way.

Sean you put your self in the place of God to say who will God is going to bless for doing certain things. This man tithing is personal and as he has said he does it unto the Lord not man. You are doing the same thing that you are accusing tithe preachers of doing. You are telling them they are going to hell for tithing and that God isn't going to bless them unless they stop. You are very mixed up. God maybe working something in untraditional's life that may be the reason for his hardships right now. Life isn't always going to be good. There are going to be times of prosperity and times of famine in life. this is natural.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sean you put your self in the place of God to say who will God is going to bless for doing certain things. This man tithing is personal and as he has said he does it unto the Lord not man. You are doing the same thing that you are accusing tithe preachers of doing. You are telling them they are going to hell for tithing and that God isn't going to bless them unless they stop. You are very mixed up. God maybe working something in untraditional's life that may be the reason for his hardships right now. Life isn't always going to be good. There are going to be times of prosperity and times of famine in life. this is natural.

Nope, I am just trying to get his head screwed on straight and NOT try to manipulate our God into rebuking the devourer of Malachi. When he realizes that, the Lord CAN actually bless him. The Lord does not want to "trick" him into thinking the Law, which is ended for the believer, is "blessable"

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Let me state this clearly, I do not tithe to the Church, nor do I tithe to my Bishop. I tithe as unto the Lord. It is an act of obedience and worship. And, despite my family going through hard right now, I am still worshiping and being obedient to the tithe. Why? Because something my Bishop said, or something some prosperity preacher said? No, because I look at the Cross, and see my life, and Jesus is worth it.

Now, please understand the difference between tithing and offerings. I give an offering as unto the Lord as well, and He does bless this as well. I support the man and woman of God through my offerings to them as unto the Lord, because a workman is worthy of his/her hire. As a minister, I do not elevate myself. No. I hold myself to a higher standard, a stronger standard. Therein is the difference. I am no mediator. I am simply someone who God has called to use where I am where He wants me to be how He wants.

Sean, I do not know who hurt you. I wish they would repent of this before you, and come and ask forgiveness. I do pray, however, that God would allow your heart as well to be humbled before Him so that He would minister healing and hope more than you ever thought possible.

Where do you go to church now? Do you have a blog?