Tithing…Is it a command?

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I encourage people to simplify their lives get out debt and work less hours or free up their wife so both don't have to work. The people who tithe at my church I would rather see them tithe less and have more time for their families and the kingdom of God. More people means more church income. I don't want to see the same two or three families drained dry to take care of church finances AND ministries.

God Bless You.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I encourage people to simplify their lives get out debt and work less hours or free up their wife so both don't have to work. The people who tithe at my church I would rather see them tithe less and have more time for their families and the kingdom of God. More people means more church income. I don't want to see the same two or three families drained dry to take care of church finances AND ministries.

Bingo...that is the way our Lord Jesus would have it...scores of souls being baptized and all our bills paid as a result, with no prodding or arm twisting of the saints to give.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Bingo...that is the way our Lord Jesus would have it...scores of souls being baptized and all our bills paid as a result, with no prodding or arm twisting of the saints to give.

We do have some common ground then. I do believe that we should not poke and prod, but people will not know unless we teach them which is something you have expressed already about the OT knowledge you say everyone knows so much about.(it is a shame but most people don't know much about either the old or new.) If I don't teach to give and don't give any methods on how to give there is going to be people who should financially do more and won't; not because of a impure heart, but ingnorance.

I didn't ever say that we should omit NT teachings. Matter of fact the method I see from the NT givers would exceed that of tithing. People sold all they had without worrying about there own priestly family and devoted their entire lives to the ministry (I don't know anyone doing that today?). We have people grumbling that 10% is too much and the church is just greedy to teach such a thing.

We need to teach people from the Bible. The NT testament and the OT is for the church today, but we must study it. Matter of fact I think you should have a ballanced amount of study between the New and the Old. I would like to see the people who are proclaiming to have this early church revelation living like the early church. You will find there is very few who are living where God would have them.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

We do have some common ground then. I do believe that we should not poke and prod, but people will not know unless we teach them which is something you have expressed already about the OT knowledge you say everyone knows so much about.(it is a shame but most people don't know much about either the old or new.) If I don't teach to give and don't give any methods on how to give there is going to be people who should financially do more and won't; not because of a impure heart, but ingnorance.

I didn't ever say that we should omit NT teachings. Matter of fact the method I see from the NT givers would exceed that of tithing. People sold all they had without worrying about there own priestly family and devoted their entire lives to the ministry (I don't know anyone doing that today?). We have people grumbling that 10% is too much and the church is just greedy to teach such a thing.

We need to teach people from the Bible. The NT testament and the OT is for the church today, but we must study it. Matter of fact I think you should have a ballanced amount of study between the New and the Old. I would like to see the people who are proclaiming to have this early church revelation living like the early church. You will find there is very few who are living where God would have them.

Brother, if I was in your situation, from now on, I would just ask the saints to set aside what the think would fit into their budget, any percentage they feel to give. Just let them know that "responsible" giving is greatly needed for church bills and future growth.

Some that have a lot will give alot, some that have a little will give a little.

If someone cant give at all, they are still valuable to the work of the Lord. They can still fulfill the great commission and out give the givers of money.

[Aquila]

There is a HISTORY behind the tithe and how it was integrated into Christianity by the Catholics. Study your history.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There is a HISTORY behind the tithe and how it was integrated into Christianity by the Catholics. Study your history.

Truth can be treason when going against tradition. Tithing money is just to big for them to stop.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Truth can be treason when going against tradition. Tithing money is just to big for them to stop.

This is sad but I definitely agree.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Truth can be treason when going against tradition. Tithing money is just to big for them to stop.

People keep laying Bible verse vs. Bible verse... when there is an entire history on the tithe and how it became incorporated in the church. It's so silly. Stop sticking your heads in the sand and research history folks! Historical facts, church councils, religious edicts, etc. all document how the tithe was debated for hundreds of years and rejected over and over. Then we can see how it was actually incorporated into the Catholic faith and soon was imposed by law. Then we can see how the Protestants carried the tithe over and the tithe was thrown off like broken shackles during the Revolutionary period. The end result were individual churches and denominations holding on to the tithe as an almost sacrosanct article of faith.

History is history. The facts are facts. Tithing is hold over from the Catholic innovation of imposed religious extortion.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

People keep laying Bible verse vs. Bible verse... when there is an entire history on the tithe and how it became incorporated in the church. It's so silly. Stop sticking your heads in the sand and research history folks! Historical facts, church councils, religious edicts, etc. all document how the tithe was debated for hundreds of years and rejected over and over. Then we can see how it was actually incorporated into the Catholic faith and soon was imposed by law. Then we can see how the Protestants carried the tithe over and the tithe was thrown off like broken shackles during the Revolutionary period. The end result were individual churches and denominations holding on to the tithe as an almost sacrosanct article of faith.

History is history. The facts are facts. Tithing is hold over from the Catholic innovation of imposed religious extortion.

Keep it up Bro. and you will find yourself behind bars someday!

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There is a HISTORY behind the tithe and how it was integrated into Christianity by the Catholics. Study your history.

who are you saying this to? please qoute what you are addressing this to.