"death Panel" When a patient is on a ventilator and feeding tube, someone decides to unplug life support. In the case of the new bill, it will be influenced elswhere. It is not quit correct to put the authority in the hands of a single person so they call it a panel.
"advanced care Planning associates" will work with other people and a life or death decision will be carried out. The deception is in the name. The deception is in who makes the decesion. the deception is in who tells the patient the decision can't be over ridden from the patient end.
The key for successfull detrimental manipulation is to declare that it was the patients idea and for the good of the suffering patient. Manipulate the patient to have them say they want to end it. After these killings, people have the audacity to say that is what the patient wanted.
You never stop with the false hoods do you? You make it up and Esther prints emails that she refuses to check for accuracy, and most are false. What a team you two make.
We'll begin on page 5 of this New York Times interview (4/14/09) with President nObama
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Now, I actually think that the tougher issue around medical care — it’s a related one — is what you do around things like end-of-life care —
NYT: Yes, where it’s $20,000 for an extra week of life.
THE PRESIDENT: Exactly. And I just recently went through this. I mean, I’ve told this story, maybe not publicly, but when my grandmother got very ill during the campaign, she got cancer; it was determined to be terminal. And about two or three weeks after her diagnosis she fell, broke her hip. It was determined that she might have had a mild stroke, which is what had precipitated the fall.
So now she’s in the hospital, and the doctor says, Look, you’ve got about — maybe you have three months, maybe you have six months, maybe you have nine months to live. Because of the weakness of your heart, if you have an operation on your hip there are certain risks that — you know, your heart can’t take it. On the other hand, if you just sit there with your hip like this, you’re just going to waste away and your quality of life will be terrible.
And she elected to get the hip replacement and was fine for about two weeks after the hip replacement, and then suddenly just — you know, things fell apart.
I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model, is a very difficult question. If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life — that would be pretty upsetting.
NYT: And it’s going to be hard for people who don’t have the option of paying for it.
THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.
NYT: So how do you — how do we deal with it?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.
Note to the not-so-bright-Light ... this isn't an email, click on the source and read for yourself ... better yet, read the bill itself instead of whining and accusing people of lying about it. Some have read portions of the bill - and most of what's being reported IS in the bill.
Note to the not-so-bright-Light ... this isn't an email, click on the source and read for yourself ... better yet, read the bill itself instead of whining and accusing people of lying about it. Some have read portions of the bill - and most of what's being reported IS in the bill.
I have read the bill and have even posted portions of it to prove that some claiming to be Christians are lying. The lies were posted in red.
I have read the bill and have even posted portions of it to prove that some claiming to be Christians are lying. The lies were posted in red.
They obviously haven't even read the bill. The bill clearly BLOCKS FUNDING for any counseling by a doctor or anyone else concerning sucidie or physician assisted suicide.
Why don't some of you read the bill before you talk about things you don't understand.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
They obviously haven't even read the bill. The bill clearly BLOCKS FUNDING for any counseling by a doctor or anyone else concerning sucidie or physician assisted suicide.
Why don't some of you read the bill before you talk about things you don't understand.
The interview I posted isn't about physician assisted suicide, Mike. There's a difference between what you're speaking of and what BHO is speaking of here. Read the statement again ... what IS the issue is that under his socialized healthcare, BHO's own grandmother may not have rec'd her hip replacement to improve quality of her life - just because she was soon to die.
That's the issue. Under BHO's plan there may well not be PAS (technically) ... instead he'll let the terminal patients rot away and die with no quality of life care.
But I digress ... Mike wears BHO undies, sleeps in "Yes We Can" sheets and drinks BHO koolaide (the red stuff) by the gallon. And Light ... well, he just hates anyone conservative or Republican...
... Mike wears BHO undies, sleeps in "Yes We Can" sheets and drinks BHO koolaide (the red stuff) by the gallon.
That's actually funny. I'll give you points for making me laugh on that one.
I'll get my picture with all of that stuff if you'll promise to take pictures of you in your Sarah Baracuda jammies, with your EIB Rush Limbaugh slippers and a copy of Glenn Beck's (Un) Common Sense.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
The interview I posted isn't about physician assisted suicide, Mike. There's a difference between what you're speaking of and what BHO is speaking of here. Read the statement again ... what IS the issue is that under his socialized healthcare, BHO's own grandmother may not have rec'd her hip replacement to improve quality of her life - just because she was soon to die.
That's the issue. Under BHO's plan there may well not be PAS (technically) ... instead he'll let the terminal patients rot away and die with no quality of life care.
But I digress ... Mike wears BHO undies, sleeps in "Yes We Can" sheets and drinks BHO koolaide (the red stuff) by the gallon. And Light ... well, he just hates anyone conservative or Republican...
And under the link you posted, he does not mention that the government will decide on end of life decisions. He talks about guidance, not determination. He says nothing about government decided end of life decisions unless you have a special monitor that lets you see sentences the rest of us can't see.
I have read the bill and have even posted portions of it to prove that some claiming to be Christians are lying. The lies were posted in red.
Are you claiming to be Christian or lying or both?
Your posts appear that you don't understand wording in the bill and use some hack liberal web site to regurgitate it for ya.
Are you claiming to be Christian or lying or both?
Your posts appear that you don't understand wording in the bill and use some hack liberal web site to regurgitate it for ya.
Coadi I posted the lies you told in red. Your lies have been refuted today by several republicans on the news.
I'll make a deal with you. Let's hire a lawyer (can be a republican)to read the bill as written, if you are wrong you pay, if I am wrong I will pay. Now put up or shut up.
Coadi I posted the lies you told in red. Your lies have been refuted today by several republicans on the news.
I'll make a deal with you. Let's hire a lawyer (can be a republican)to read the bill as written, if you are wrong you pay, if I am wrong I will pay. Now put up or shut up.
Tell me why I would need a lawyer to read the bill?
You are the one that has very little formal education. If you need a reader interpretor, help yourself.
"death panels" Coming to a cube farm in Washington.
The sleazy democrats will invent some flowery name for them.
Members will be "Advanced Care Planning Associates"
Socialized medicine. Complete with all new medical terms.
Light you are very deceptive. as loudly as you accuse people of being liars, that is a sign that you are trying desparately to transfer attention from your deeds. Remember the Democrats press for abortion. It is nothing for you all to falsely accuse people because your hypocracy is exposed. so sad.
If you want to spend money on a lawyer, I can read and explain the bill to him. Remember your Donkey buds haven't read the bill they are pushing.
Question to self. why would the Pro Abortion baby killer party go ballistic on the expression "death panel" ??
have been refuted today by several republicans on the news.
if you are wrong you pay, if I am wrong I will pay. Now put up or shut up.
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