I missed the rapture?

jmarkoa · #1 09-28-2009, 11:54 PM

I didn't know, until a few days ago, that there are actually people who believe the rapture has already taken place. Is there anyone on this forum who understands this belief?

Forgive me if asking this is way out of line, but I am interested in knowing how and when this took place. Wouldn't this mean that almost all of Revelations has already taken place? Where do people with this belief believe we are in the Bible? Do they believe there are any unfulfilled prophecy's left in the Bible?

It seems to me the saying "hindsight is 20/20" applies here. If this really did already happen, wouldn't we have the benefit of hindsight to fully explain what all the smallest details in Revelations means?

Mark

Jason B · #2 09-28-2009, 11:59 PM

There are a few people on this forum who believe this, they have been relatively queit here lately, but might come out of the woodwork.

Technichally, they are called preterists, and more specifically, Full Preterists.

They believe the Lord Jesus returned in A.D. 70, and that all prophetic scripture is fulfilled. Thius, no more rapture, and no more second coming. The world continues on in this present state, and by the way, that means that they believe that Satan was (and has been) bound since the first century. Thus all the atrocities, all the wars, the holocost, etc. are all events that happen in Jesuc Christ's millenial reign of peace.

jmarkoa · #3 09-29-2009, 01:52 AM

Really? So the year 70 was Jesus' second coming? So where is He supposed to be now? Is Jesus still on earth? Was He taken up to Heaven a second time? Did he come back with the saints? Weren't they supposed to be made Kings and Priests over the nations of the earth? Did Armageddon happen, too? What was the mark of the beast all about? When is Satan scheduled to make another appearance?

I don't understand, did the entire world miss this? I thought every eye was going to see Him. Did the Jews see his scars? So many questions...

I there anyone who can explain how and when all these things happened?

shag · #4 09-29-2009, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jmarkoa

Really? So the year 70 was Jesus' second coming? So where is He supposed to be now? Is Jesus still on earth? Was He taken up to Heaven a second time? Did he come back with the saints? Weren't they supposed to be made Kings and Priests over the nations of the earth? Did Armageddon happen, too? What was the mark of the beast all about? When is Satan scheduled to make another appearance?

I don't understand, did the entire world miss this? I thought every eye was going to see Him. Did the Jews see his scars? So many questions...

I there anyone who can explain how and when all these things happened?

I have very little time to be on here, primarily just for a few minutes early B4 work. Please give the scripture ref. along with your questions. I'm sure some will find time to address/discuss them......If I have time to, I will.

What is your interpretation of this parable in Matt. 21, and when is its happening?: Matt. 21:40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

Nitehawk013 · #5 09-29-2009, 06:57 AM

Thats kind of the kicker. Had Jesus returned in glory in 70AD, I'm pretty sure that would be recorded all over the place in history.

I fear that this thread will cause a resurrection of the preterist fervor. Get ready for the flood. It won't be long.

MomOfADramaQn · #6 09-29-2009, 08:24 AM

Well for starters there is no bible that supports a "secret" rapture anyway.

Godsdrummer · #7 09-29-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn

Well for starters there is no bible that supports a "secret" rapture anyway.

Ah there is no place in the bible that teaches a rapture either there is bible for the resurection but how people veiw this is where the problem comes.

MomOfADramaQn · #8 09-29-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Ah there is no place in the bible that teaches a rapture either there is bible for the resurection but how people veiw this is where the problem comes.

Yes- the bible never uses the word rapture but the word rapture does mean the carrying of a person to another place or sphere of existence and in 1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord - thus this is also the reason I do not believe people go to heaven when they die - if they did what would be the point of a resurrection?

Sam · #9 09-29-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn

Yes- the bible never uses the word rapture but the word rapture does mean the carrying of a person to another place or sphere of existence and in 1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord -...

The word "rapture" is not in our KJV. The words "caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" are "RAPIEMUR cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera" in the Latin Vugate.

Our English word "rapture" is similar to the Latin word "rapiemur"

jmarkoa · #10 09-29-2009, 04:13 PM

OK, I guess what I am really looking for here is not why it is a possibility in scriptures, but proof of how it already happened.

Lets say I already believe that the scriptures are correct, and that they did indeed predict the second coming of Jesus in AD 70. Since that event is now history, not unfulfilled prophesy to be speculated on, what is the explanation of all those things listed in the whole book of Revelations?

For example, in history, the first coming of Jesus happened, and we were able to look back at the things written beforehand in the Old Testament and explain how the actual events fulfilled the details of the written prophetic events. That is all I am asking. Since it already happened, explain the events as they actually happened in history, and how those events fulfilled the previously written prophetic events of Revelations.

His first coming is well documented throughout our history books. I don't know of very many people who believe Jesus was never born and never hung on a cross. It just remains a fact in our world history that he indeed was born and crucified. So shouldn't there also be all kinds of history about this just as important, if not more, second coming? How does this other viewpoint address this very large portion of the Bible? For this discussion, forget about the parts of the Bible that prophesy about WHEN this event will happen, for just one moment. Focus on how the historical events fulfill all the other prophetic scriptures.

Please forgive me for not listing exact scriptures. I am not very good at this. I know I am probably in way over my head being in the "Deep Waters" forum. I am just searching for better understanding from people who hold this specific belief to be true.

Thank you to all who take the time out of your daily schedules to post your beliefs here.

Mark