Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[CC1]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SbR-gCEVlA

@ between 3 and 4 minute mark he turns and addresss T Black

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by CC1

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

Agree, this teaching is very hard for me to receive about the hair-maybe, I'm missing some needed understanding here?????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

Here's what oftentimes happens over and over again with church leadership. These leaders get a little revelation, and builds a reputation among men, and they get LIFTED in pride and arrogance; this happens all the time-they neglect to keep a watch over themselves, and then the SCANDALS come. God is NOT instructiong us to build reputations/noteriety, but God expects us to have/walk in GODLY CHARACTER!!! Let's look at some of the list of reputations: Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Clarence Mclendon, Zachary Tims, Eddie Long, Jim Jones, Juanita Bynum, Ted Haggart, Benny Hinn, Paula White, T. D. Fakes, Joyce Myers, TBN, Creflo Dollar, and so on, and so on {ALL THIS ABOMINABLE SPOUSE SWAPPING/DIVORCING, AND OVER INDULGANCE WITH MATERIAL LIVING-PALACIOUS HOMES-PRIVATE JETS-LARGE ENTOURAGES-JUST FULL OF LUST AND GREED}: they have popular reputations among the churchworld, but their private lives were/are filled with perverted, money grubbbing scandals. Look at the humble simplistic, lowly life of the reknown Billy Graham; the man did not get/have the Holyghost like we Pentecostal, but he had a disciplined lifestyle, and that of MODESTY; NEVER ANY KNOWN ACCUSATIONS OF SEX AND MONEY SCANDALS-TRANSPARENT!!! Pentecostal people can get FLAMBOYANT and HAUGHTY, and attempt to justify this materialism in the name of God's prosperity!!! So reputation is not on God's list, but Character, and holy living is HIGH priority-when you/we-the Church of Jesus Christ abide in this we will not fall {having a prayerful and fasting life of humility and repentance before the FALL}, because we've got our lives in the GODLY CHECK of DISCIPLINE!!!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

I don't think I'd walk across the street to spit on him if he was on fire.

I have less respect for the officials of the UPC who make him their poster boy and grant him a free pass on his ridiculous preaching.

The churchs that allow and amen him, like the fools in the video that were shouting over his outlandish statements show what a sad state of affairs some of our churches are in.

Someone will scold me and tell me to "touch not God's anointed"

...and I'll tell them that Lee Stoneking is not anointed, he's just touched.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't hold LS in high esteem. I used to years ago

The down turn began when he preached a message that included a tabloid story of Ukranian Minors drilling to deep and hearing the crys of souls in hell. Then it was at another "singles" meeting he preached that hair baloney.

Is this the "sounds" you refer to?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basic..._from_hell.htm

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by CC1

Forget the reference to TB I am freaked out by what LS is saying. First of all to lay claim that hair has power because he reads that it does in books about witchcraft is astonishing to me.

Then the idea that he thinks it would be a good idea for Pentecostal women with uncut hair to all go outside, let their hair down, and shake it in the wind. That this would drum up some amazing power because he read in a book a reference that a witch doing that would double the power of her spell.

Oh good heavens. I am astounded that this man is held in such high esteem by the UPC. I can't think of a faster way to irrelevancy than embracing this and RRH's teachings. I pray that surely the people of my roots are not this naive.

These "prophetic" types oftentimes end up in left field because they become celebrities. The pressure to keep producing supernatural proof that they have a gift oftentimes moves a man to say things and reveal things that no one else is saying or doing. Stories difficult to verify from far off lands or from obscure people, digging up hidden secrets from occult writings and witchcraft, the thought of stirring up angels and the release of the Holy Spirit by shaking our hair in the wind...sensationalism at best, sign seeking at worst.

Underlying the energy and craving for supernatural manifestations is evil. It is not rooted in faith but in sensuality.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

These "prophetic" types oftentimes end up in left field because they become celebrities. The pressure to keep producing supernatural proof that they have a gift oftentimes moves a man to say things and reveal things that no one else is saying or doing. Stories difficult to verify from far off lands or from obscure people, digging up hidden secrets from occult writings and witchcraft, the thought of stirring up angels and the release of the Holy Spirit by shaking our hair in the wind...sensationalism at best, sign seeking at worst.

Underlying the energy and craving for supernatural manifestations is evil. It is not rooted in faith but in sensuality.

DB, my wife and I even while where still in the UPC cared much for Lee Stoneking he was strange even before the HHM and all Trinitarians are going to hell rant.

The shame is that he could preach on his testimony alone for that is the power of God displayed and leave all that other junk alone.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

DB, my wife and I even while where still in the UPC cared much for Lee Stoneking he was strange even before the HHM and all Trinitarians are going to hell rant.

The shame is that he could preach on his testimony alone for that is the power of God displayed and leave all that other junk alone.

He preached a lot at my home church when I was a kid back in the 70s. He was instrumental in leading my uncle to salvation which was nothing short of a miracle. I was baptized with the HG at the age of 8 when he was preaching a revival and praying with me in the altar. Bonifide miracles transpired in many of those meetings. I love LS. He made an indelible impactbin my life and in the lives of many that I love and cherish.

In the 80s he preached a sermon on angels at camp meeting and it was the first time I thought his preaching was somewhat odd. Then he came to our church in 1988 and preached this message on hair. We ate with him after church and asked questions because many of us on staff disagreed with it, but out of respect for him, wanted him to expound. It was apparent we didn't agree by the end of the conversation. After that meeting he never came back to our church after preaching there for more than a dozen years, literally hundreds of messages.

I began to hear how he began to cut different churches out, refusing to preach fornthem, and kept his circuit of revivals to only a select number of churches he had a relationship with (I suppose those churches that wouldn't question anything he preached). He even had a falling out with POA and the Manguns. Over what I do not know, but he used to be the final preacher at BOTT for many years and then suddenly he stopped preaching that meeting. Years later I think he preached there again, apparently the differences were ironed out. I don't know if he still preaches there anymore.

Last time I heard him preach was at Bethel Springs, TN at an annual conference held there. The message wasn't anything outlandish in my recollection. I approached him after service, he recognized me, smiled profusely and hugged my neck and showered me with kind words and love. He asked about my family and relatives. It was a nice reunion. I do love him. But I love Jesus and His Word more, and it saddens me to watch what this ministry has become and its emphasis on anecdotes and sensationalism.

Back in the 70s he preached a message I remember he said was, "Simply entitled, 'Jesus'". Those were the good ole days. Now it's hair, witchcraft, angels, manifestations, Bin Laden's wives, etc. It seems "Simply Jesus" isn't good enough anymore. It makes me sad.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

He preached a lot at my home church when I was a kid back in the 70s. He was instrumental in leading my uncle to salvation which was nothing short of a miracle. I was baptized with the HG at the age of 8 when he was preaching a revival and praying with me in the altar. Bonifide miracles transpired in many of those meetings. I love LS. He made an indelible impactbin my life and in the lives of many that I love and cherish.

In the 80s he preached a sermon on angels at camp meeting and it was the first time I thought his preaching was somewhat odd. Then he came to our church in 1988 and preached this message on hair. We ate with him after church and asked questions because many of us on staff disagreed with it, but out of respect for him, wanted him to expound. It was apparent we didn't agree by the end of the conversation. After that meeting he never came back to our church after preaching there for more than a dozen years, literally hundreds of messages.

I began to hear how he began to cut different churches out, refusing to preach fornthem, and kept his circuit of revivals to only a select number of churches he had a relationship with (I suppose those churches that wouldn't question anything he preached). He even had a falling out with POA and the Manguns. Over what I do not know, but he used to be the final preacher at BOTT for many years and then suddenly he stopped preaching that meeting. Years later I think he preached there again, apparently the differences were ironed out. I don't know if he still preaches there anymore.

Last time I heard him preach was at Bethel Springs, TN at an annual conference held there. The message wasn't anything outlandish in my recollection. I approached him after service, he recognized me, smiled profusely and hugged my neck and showered me with kind words and love. He asked about my family and relatives. It was a nice reunion. I do love him. But I love Jesus and His Word more, and it saddens me to watch what this ministry has become and its emphasis on anecdotes and sensationalism.

Back in the 70s he preached a message I remember he said was, "Simply entitled, 'Jesus'". Those were the good ole days. Now it's hair, witchcraft, angels, manifestations, Bin Laden's wives, etc. It seems "Simply Jesus" isn't good enough anymore. It makes me sad.

Bolded part: back in the day I was in the LS circle. I can speak to the POA falling out:

LS and AM had a strong disagreement over Joe Beasley (I must use whole name here for a point of reference of historical accuracy and clarity.) JB was at the point of leaving the UPC over doctrine even though his dad was still district super and he was still a presbyter of the Atlantic district. AM and committee invited JB to preach BOTT in what appeared to be an attempt to keep him plugged in.

Problem being that LS was preaching for the conservative element of the New Brunswick district. Especially Ed Goddard. I was on speaking lineups with LS during those days in New Brunswick. Raymond Woodard was at EG's at the time as assistant pastor. Many of the LS HMH examples concerning witches and hair come from a RW bible study.

I digress. When JB was asked to preach BOTT it infuriated LS because of the apparent validation of his liberal position. Keep in mind that not long afterward the Beasley's were no longer UPC as the conservative element in the Atlantic district successfully voted conservatives in and the liberals out.

LS and AM had strong words for each other over the JB invitation and LS refused to go back to POA for several years. He has stuck to his word for the most part that he would never again preach BOTT…..