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[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You're not convincing me. You made it clear it was to "see their reaction".

I read your blog, not that woman's article

I'm not worried about convincing anybody so your clearly getting my motivations wrong. I'm only clarifying misinformation and then when your all done I doubt I'll post here anymore since I'm finished with the whole debating the Bible online medium.

Sure, part the SIDE EFFECTS of having an apostasy would have been to find out how people treat your after as part of the experiment, but that his been skipped in favor of cutting it short and just leaving.

You said shock value. Nothing I said related to that at all. What I was interested in was how I'd be treated if I'd have done it.

And this is the problem with people thinking they understand someone by reading some typing. I large part of why I decided to minimize my participation in this sort of BS.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Like I already said, it goes beyond the title. You just ignored the fact that I referred to you encouring others to do it for FUN and to CUSS in tongues for FUN.

That's like saying someone shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater was just a prank and no intention on harm...that person is deluded himself. Sorry

No, when I wrote that I specified that people could do it when doing the experiment for themselves in order to have some fun passing the time.

It demonstrates that you Pentecostals can't tell the difference between fake and real tongues.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How do you know? Do you understand what kind of "hurt" we are talking about?

All that's happened is after not even quite two months people are wondering what happened to those two folks who used to attend.

Happens when believers hop churches all the time Praxeas.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ROFL..I was waiting for this comparison.

Actually Anthropologists don't go in disguise pretending to be a native. They go in admitting they are not part of the group to learn about the group. To not offend they often observe cultural norms, but they do NOT go in with the intent on deceiving and they would not "have fun" at some native's expense

I never said it was EXACTLY like anthropology Praxeas.

I only said it had similarities. Western anthropologists will let medicine men perform their rituals over them without debating them about the merits of it. You could call that dishonest, but whatever.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

One of your goals

3) To develop close relationships with members of the congregation and see how they react in about a year or so when our planned apostasy takes place.

You also refer to this as ESPIONAGE.

Throughout this article and others you repetitively refer to Pentecostals and Christians in general with belligerent and pejorative language, yet you feign here sincerity?

"so what’s REALLY fun and what will REALLY take the edge of is to insert curse words and aberrant phrases into my tongues speech to see if anyone around me will noticeably notice. Of course, I try not to laugh, but if I do I just play it off as if I’m laughing in the Spirit."


"And definitely, if your interested in visiting a classical Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostal, Charismatic, Third Wave, or Bapticostal church as someone who doesn’t really believe in the whole spiritual gibberish thing this is a great thing to do."


"And most of all if you do this- have fun!"

To most sane people, this is called MOCKERY.

I see nothing wrong with any of this. The project is over anyways so your wasting your time on what's finished.

I've already explained that it is part anthropology, part psychology, part prank. Not that the people there ever found out about the prank or were hurt, but just to send the message out to you that apparently your God isn't speaking to Pentecostals today.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by renee819

Livefortruth wrote


This needs to be cleared up,

Since you don't believe the Bible, no use to pointing you to a scripture. But for others that might not understand this. Many times in a service, there is no one there with the “gift of interpretation” Therefore those without that 'gift' would not know, exactly. But I have discerned a few times, that the speaker was not getting his message from God. And I have seen a few called out on it. But if the Pastor doesn't say something, because he is unsure, the people won't either.

I imagine, there were a few that had their doubts, because there is a different feeling that comes over a service. And they were kind enough to wait and see.

Not really. During our almost two months there we became fully accepted. Pentecostals just make up this subjective junk when tongues is really just gibberish that sounds a certain way so people find it acceptable.

It's just an emotional experience. If it's any consolation, when praying in tongues I really felt it a few times, even though I knew I was just messing around.

[KeptByTheWord]

Livefortruth,

I have heard tongues that were definitely not of God. And yes, if the church had more discernment, they would have understood the difference between the two.

I did this experiment one time in my SS class. I bought two identical food items - one was a well known name brand, and the other was a generic. I set them out on the table, and had the kids taste test each of them, and try to guess which was which.

The kids who recognized and knew the name brand, had eaten it before. The kids who had never had the product at all, chose the generic. Interesting concept!

Until you try and know the GENUINE, you will not be able to know and discern the COUNTERFEIT.

I think many people just see someone talking in tongues like a chinese laundryman (as one pastor I had used to say), and think, well, that's got to be of God.

Pentecostals haven't been taught much discernment at all, and just take the "tongues" at face value... and I wouldn't be surprised if you were cussing in tongues, and no one knew the difference, because if those people aren't in tune with the spirit, and don't have the gift of discernment, they would just automatically think it was of God.

I think you have brought up an interesting point here, that does bear discussing, even though I think the way you went about doing this was very deceitful, and underhanded, and perhaps even apostate. I don't know you personally, but just judging from what you have said.

LiveForTruth... have you have ever been filled with the Spirit of the Lord? Do you know if you've ever spoken in another language given to you by the Spirit of the Lord?

So, I do think this point does need discussing... is there such a thing as tongues that are satanic? Not of God, but of Satan?

I do believe there are, and I know I have heard them. I have seen the enemy in action in the middle of worship services, and God was given credit for the things the enemy was doing. And that is really sad, but true.

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[PastorTLArt]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So are those who receive the Spirit baptism in "one step" salvation churches also babbling falsely?

As a matter fo fact, Yes some of them are! The point I was making is, When you attend a church that preaches tongues are essential to salvation, then well, eventually you are gonna have to do it just to prove to others that you are saved, and by do it, I mean, your gonna "fake it til ya make it"!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by livefortruth

I'm not worried about convincing anybody so your clearly getting my motivations wrong. I'm only clarifying misinformation and then when your all done I doubt I'll post here anymore since I'm finished with the whole debating the Bible online medium.

Sure, part the SIDE EFFECTS of having an apostasy would have been to find out how people treat your after as part of the experiment, but that his been skipped in favor of cutting it short and just leaving.

You said shock value. Nothing I said related to that at all. What I was interested in was how I'd be treated if I'd have done it.

And this is the problem with people thinking they understand someone by reading some typing. I large part of why I decided to minimize my participation in this sort of BS.

Except that you seem to be worried about explaining how we are all wrong about what you are doing...like I said..

If people aren't really known by their words they are liars. We all only have what you said to go on

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by livefortruth

No, when I wrote that I specified that people could do it when doing the experiment for themselves in order to have some fun passing the time.

It demonstrates that you Pentecostals can't tell the difference between fake and real tongues.

Yes I know. Somehow that doesn't really change anything about the "have fun" part