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[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i have a question for you. Did we get a new earth and new heavens after the flood?

No, the same old earth just reemerged as the water dissipated. Heaven also remained heaven.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

No, the same old earth just reemerged as the water dissipated. Heaven also remained heaven.

well, but Scripture says the old earth was destroyed; and the released raven tells me that the old heaven prolly was, too?

[randyabrown]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, but Scripture says the old earth was destroyed; and the released raven tells me that the old heaven prolly was, too?

I don't want to read anything into it that's not there, but this seems to imply we're still on the first earth:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Rev. 21:1 KJV)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by randyabrown

I don't want to read anything into it that's not there, but this seems to imply we're still on the first earth:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Rev. 21:1 KJV)

Thank you Randy, finally a voice of sanity!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, but Scripture says the old earth was destroyed; and the released raven tells me that the old heaven prolly was, too?

Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.




Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?





Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.




Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?





Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

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The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

ya, i really don't care about the "earth" thing--i won't argue that the earth will be destroyed by fire at some point. I am most interested in the "impact" thing.

[shazeep]

i am wracking my brain to come up with any?

[shazeep]

i'm not sure how a Posterist deals with Christ's "I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

which might help to clarify this; but i suggest (don't know) that the difference might be one of mindset, and therefore not easy to verbalize--however, i see a reflection in today's brain pickings that might address this
https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/0...dweck-mindset/
even if it does not answer these questions directly. (i suspect it might)

so, pick a question:
what is the impact?
how do Posterists deal with Christ's quote?
which view, Preterist/Posterist, might you associate with which mindset in the article? if any

[Sean]

[QUOTE=shazeep;1392421]i'm not sure how a Posterist deals with Christ's "I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

The kingdom Jesus spoke of arrived in Acts 2.....minus one Apostle....Judas.