Scoffers on AFF

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Fathers are referring to the Apostles(themselves) in verse 2.


Where did you come up with the idea of the patriarchs(Abraham Isaac and Jacob)...LOL

Because they are referred to as the fathers, not ever was the apostles referred to as the fathers. You also posted Jesus as being one of the fathers who fell asleep, so your issue gets greater because these scoffers are scoffing at an advent that has a father who is sleeping? LOL on that one.

[Sean]

3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days(end times) scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers(prophets, Apostles, Jesus...vs 2) fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.(just like usual)

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.(its gonna possibly be a while, but God will fulfill what He said)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.(ditto)

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.(the Lord will return as promised, and this will be the final result)

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days(end times) scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the [I]promise of his comingI]

? for since the fathers(prophets, Apostles, Jesus

...v[/s 2) fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.(just like usual)

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.(its gonna possibly be a while, but God will fulfill what He said)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.(ditto)

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.(the Lord will return as promised, and this will be the final result)

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep? Are you really considering anything you are posting at this point? Please explain how the scoffers believe Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep? Are you really considering anything you are posting at this point? Please explain how the scoffers believe Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep?

You dont think Jesus died?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

You dont think Jesus died?

That was a weak comeback, you lost this round.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Jesus died, was buried, and resurrected, sorry Sean, he wasn't one of the fathers who fell asleep.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep? Are you really considering anything you are posting at this point? Please explain how the scoffers believe Jesus is one of the fathers who fell asleep?

The guy is arguing in the debate forum how Jesus is NOT God, and now apparently he doesn't know Jesus resurrected? Looks like a cult in the making...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The guy is arguing in the debate forum how Jesus is NOT God, and now apparently he doesn't know Jesus resurrected? Looks like a cult in the making...

But, who would hang around him long enough to join?

[Sean]

Since Jacob fell asleep, all things continue from the beginning of creation?....LOL



This is what you believe?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Since Jacob fell asleep, all things continue from the beginning of creation?....LOL

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