Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

Brother AM considers them Christians. I wonder what is going to happen to us.

Hey, do you attend church in Alexandria?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Trinitarians didn't "write" the bible. They translated manuscripts. Since we have access to the underlying texts we can verify if their choice of words was accurate, or not.

I don't know that one needs the Holy Ghost and eternal life to translate a papyrus from Greek to English. You might need the Holy Ghost to UNDERSTAND the words that are written, as far as how they apply to your life and what you need to do in response, but to translate from one language to another? I don't see that.

Lots of people like to use the "oh, you use a trinitarian bible therefore...." and then tack on whatever nonsensical conclusion they feel the need to promote that particular day. To which I always ask "Oh, so you're an Anglican, then?"

[Strict Baptist]

I will not reply to this Benincasa becase there is no point quarreling with a legend in his own mind. I never thought this thread would go on so long.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I will not reply to this Benincasa becase there is no point quarreling with a legend in his own mind. I never thought this thread would go on so long.

Look who is psychologically projecting?

Strict Baptist if I was to go to a website forum filled with Ruckmanites to study their "religion." I would be shown the left foot of fellowship. I personally don't believe you are actually who you say you are, you might be, but then you would have some huge issues.

You come to a forum and right from giddy up you tell us we are heretics. Is that your normal greeting? So, save the offense, I don't believe you. You are just another disgruntled religious person looking to kick some tail ends and take down names. If anyone of us would go over to your little bless me club, we would soon be showed the error of our ways but skippy. So, dig yourself and remove the beam out of your own eye.

Comprende?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, you see him speaking about one?

Bro, I haven't the foggiest idea where you all live, but for the love of God, I was raised around TRINITARIANS. They believed in three separate PERSONS.
My mother in all her chaotic views concerning religion believed that the Father was totally different from the Son, and the Holy Ghost was totally different from the Father and the Son. My relatives Eastern Greek, and Western Roman clearly see one, two, and three, all totally separate, all totally independent from each other, but still working in total unity to be the Tri-unity God. My lands it is the exact opposite where Oneness people (as we have seen with Sean) are really Trinitarians., and Dualists (as is Sean). the whole scenario which God will open wide the gates of heaven due to our misunderstanding isn't righteousness, but actually unrighteousness. Because while we are ecclesiastically 3rd worlders, in the fist century A.D. they were on top of the situation. They didn't need Bibles translated, or detective work to figure out if Jesus actually knew how to speak any other language then Hebrew. Or if His name was even Jesus to begin with. The first century Christians had it piping hot, their Judean counterparts viewed anything more than one as Pagan, Gentile, Roman. Here is a God who works so hard in telling His chosen people He isn't like other pagan deities, ends up being replaced by a brass serpent on a brass pole, the Trinity.

Some Trinitarians have been rebuked by Trinitarian theologians because their views were Modalist. Trinitarian theologians and apologists are always re-educating those among their flock who actually read the Bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Some Trinitarians have been rebuked by Trinitarian theologians because their views were Modalist. Trinitarian theologians and apologists are always re-educating those among their flock who actually read the Bible.

Dr James White would adamantly disagree.

No, Trinitarianism in all its shapes and forms is the lion share of what we have today. No baptisms needed would be next, and the undying support of Zionism would be after that. Who knows in ten years from now there may not be anything left but a greasy spot.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Some Trinitarians have been rebuked by Trinitarian theologians because their views were Modalist. Trinitarian theologians and apologists are always re-educating those among their flock who actually read the Bible.

You must understand that there is a segment of the Oneness movement that is emotionally vested in everyone else going to hell but them. They'll be ticked at God if some Trinitarians are in Heaven. Thus, you will never be able to reason with them on this.

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

But you don't consider them to be Christians, do you?

This highlights what I perceive is dishonesty, but I'll humor it. For various reasons apart from the Pentecostal errors, I doubt most were since the emphasis was on an experience easily falsified. Their lives were often not pious, though some were. Because all the chosen are regenerate awaiting their awakening (Ephesians 1-2), some indubitably were Christians in great error. Most of those did not have much care for sanctification, hence my questioning if they were in Christ; separation was legalism in their viewpoint. Who is a Christian who does not love, who does not the commandments or who loved the world? I can't imagine a Oneness proponent being accepted who swore like a sailor while going out a-witnessing the next day.

Who made the case for Sola Fide?

The Scripture does, and so have we for at least a century before 325 and over 1500 years before 1517 from them. What does any of this have to do with the salvation of we trinitarians?


Luther believed in baptism for the remission of sins, that it was necessary for salvation, and that it was available for infants. Is that what you believe? No, of course not, you just want to drop his name like he wouldn't have had you piked along with the other Anabaptists.

WE ARE NOT PROTESTANTS. I referenced a historic event; you cannot show anything wrong with that. We likewise are not Anabaptists who were the Protestant forerunners of Pentecostalism, and some were antitrinitarians; we have no sympathy for them because they are not us.

How many people want anything to do with Calvinist Primitive Baptist Landmarkism? Is this a numbers game? If that's the case we all better send our love gift to Papa Bergoglio.

We predate Calvin and do not concur with his theology. We have a number of differences. This is why the Puritans persecuted us. You have an intellectual and scriptural mandate to honestly represent us. Calvin appreciated we Waldeses, but we were never part of the Reformation which persecuted us. Not to mention, we dipped Armitage gives a beautiful history of this I documented in my as-yet unpublished work refuting pædobaptism. We are not Landmarkists and have no sympathy for that error. Stop lumping us in with things you apparently know little about or at least care to be honest.


Tell us how many times you read the Bible each day, again, please.



Well, I'm posting from Dixie and down here you are starting to sound like a whiner.

I cannot appease your subjective opinions. I really do not think I missed much based in this thread of the Oneness movement. It cannot make up its mind, not 20 years ago, and not today.

How many non Strict Baptists are going to be in heaven? Will your AoG friends be there? Will Luther be there? What about Calvin? Paul Washer? John MacArthur? Ray Comfort? RW Shambach? Alexander Campbell? Tell us, according to Strict Baptist standards, just WHO outside of your global coast to coast fellowship is in the church of the living God?

O, stop with the logical fallacies! The New Calvinists do not represent us because of their sea of heresies recorded in oart in my pending book The Roman Catholic Connections of New Calvinism, namely their Lordship Salvation doctrine. It defines justification in papal terms; the gospel, they say, is a call to obedience and discipleship, which is not what the Bible says, and not what we believe. Good night, I have not seen so much of this since debating Democrats! I asked a simple question and got by no means a trumpet giving a certain sound despite the majority opinion of these posters being in the negative. Revelation 5 or John 10.11 answer this question handily, one your side cannot or will not, that those blessed golden streets will be inhabited by an innumerable multitude all from every kindred, tribe, language, people of two flocks, Jew or Gentile. This very thread demonstrates YOUR CAMP does not extend this to non-Oneness believers. For the better part, you see us as pagans, despite the fact we believe anyone of the foreordained can and will believe in Invincible, Efficacious Grace, even in their riper years. You cannot properly represent what we believe, but you attack me, Esaias? Come on, man! This is chicanery par excellance. Proverbs 10.18, 11.5-8.

Well, this has been educational! Trinitarians either are not, might be or could be Christians, but rather than deal with their gulf of opinions, they resort to attacking us. Did you forget the Oneness system states except you accept its modified Sabellianism, except they in Jesus' name are dipped and exhibit glossolalia, they are lost? Out goes all other Pentecostals who mostly agree with your preaching for a papal attitude setting Oneness the judge of all others just as Rome's Catechism declares all other churches as not churches in the truest sense.

I went 2005 miles alone in December to join a Gospel Standard church. That proves my desire is to join what at the moment is inaccessible. You clearly don't care about that because you set yourself up as your own authority in a house. My God have mercy on you to pull the beams from your eyes.

[Strict Baptist]

I'll no longer be posting on this board. Wisdom is justified of all her children, thus, I do not see a point in continuing here as Trinitarians are unwelcomed. Thanks all for the invaluable information. May the Ancient of Days who is the Father, the Faithful and True, Jesus Christ and the blessed power of Pentecost Sacred Spirit if he will have mercy on you all. Amen.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I'll no longer be posting on this board. Wisdom is justified of all her children, thus, I do not see a point in continuing here as Trinitarians are unwelcomed. Thanks all for the invaluable information. May the Ancient of Days who is the Father, the Faithful and True, Jesus Christ and the blessed power of Pentecost Sacred Spirit if he will have mercy on you all. Amen.

We might not agree with Trinitarians, but we love them, and you are welcome here.