Judaism is not Hebraism

[LetUsReason]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I am not sure of their bloodlines, but God clearly said they would be regathered.
I count the word of God as accurate, not census results.
God has always done what He says He will do.

Yes, I see two clear worldwide regatherings of Israel prophesied in Scripture. The first, a regathering in unbelief (which I believe we've witnessed in the past 100 years) and the final and second, a regathering in faith (after the Second Coming). That wasn't really my question though. The OP seems to believe all of modern Jewry is Edomite imposters, so I'm curious who the you all believe the "real" Jews are then. I know some people who believe strongly in the fake Jews theory take it as far as to deny the re-emergence of the nation of Israel as even being a prophetic event at all. In fact, many of them are steeped in anti-Semitism and will actually call supporters of Israel "Zionists" as a pejorative.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by LetUsReason

Yes, I see two clear worldwide regatherings of Israel prophesied in Scripture. The first, a regathering in unbelief (which I believe we've witnessed in the past 100 years) and the final and second, a regathering in faith (after the Second Coming). That wasn't really my question though. The OP seems to believe all of modern Jewry is Edomite imposters, so I'm curious who the you all believe the "real" Jews are then. I know some people who believe strongly in the fake Jews theory take it as far as to deny the re-emergence of the nation of Israel as even being a prophetic event at all. In fact, many of them are steeped in anti-Semitism and will actually call supporters of Israel "Zionists" as a pejorative.

I simply know that God made a promise to Abraham to save his physical descendants in the future.
I trust God was being truthful to him and will fulfill His word.
After Abraham died, God spoke about this same promise through the prophets, Jesus, then the Apostles.
It is laced from Genesis to Revelation.
I don't want to even start posting passages that you already know concerning this promise, but I trust you know them all(per your studies).
Some day, God will save all of physical national Israel, as they are sinners today...the way He saves everyone else.
His promise to Abraham will be fulfilled on that day. If God fibs here, half our Bible is a false deceptive book..
Folks merely question God's logistical operation, which is a non-starter.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I simply know that God made a promise to Abraham to save his physical descendants in the future.
I trust God was being truthful to him and will fulfill His word.
After Abraham died, God spoke about this same promise through the prophets, Jesus, then the Apostles.
It is laced from Genesis to Revelation.
I don't want to even start posting passages that you already know concerning this promise, but I trust you know them all(per your studies).
Some day, God will save all of physical national Israel, as they are sinners today...the way He saves everyone else.
His promise to Abraham will be fulfilled on that day. If God fibs here, half our Bible is a false deceptive book..
Folks merely question God's logistical operation, which is a non-starter.

Saves everyone else how?


Is it your belief that they will be required to obey what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost?

[1 God]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Saves everyone else how?


Is it your belief that they will be required to obey what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost?

Zech 14 depicts God saving Israel at His return and Jer 31 depicts God giving all the sinner Jews that meet Him for the 1st time in their lives, the baptism of the Holy Ghost. God then reigns over the world from the land He arrived at, and the people of that land become His ministers to the nations. This is called the Millennial Reign of God.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by 1 God

...and Jer 31 depicts God giving all the sinner Jews that meet Him for the 1st time in their lives...

It does what?

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Ehud

It does what?

Please read my answer to Jediwill

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Zech 14 depicts God saving Israel at His return and Jer 31 depicts God giving all the sinner Jews that meet Him for the 1st time in their lives, the baptism of the Holy Ghost. God then reigns over the world from the land He arrived at, and the people of that land become His ministers to the nations. This is called the Millennial Reign of God.

Go read Jeremiah in Context. The BRANCH referred to was Christ coming as a man.


All the speaking of restoration in those scriptures was literally speaking of restoration from being carried away into literal captivity due to their sin. Its pretty clear that its done to chastise and bring them back into a covenant relationship and then and only then will that be restored as it is for us all through repentence, being baptised in His name and being filled with His Spirit.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Go read Jeremiah in Context. The BRANCH referred to was Christ coming as a man.


All the speaking of restoration in those scriptures was literally speaking of restoration from being carried away into literal captivity due to their sin. Its pretty clear that its done to chastise and bring them back into a covenant relationship and then and only then will that be restored as it is for us all through repentence, being baptised in His name and being filled with His Spirit.

This speaks specifically of the 2 Jewish groups(12 tribes)...


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


...and it says nothing about a single gentile, nor has any gentile fit this particular criteria,

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1 God

This speaks specifically of the 2 Jewish groups(12 tribes)...


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


...and it says nothing about a single gentile, nor has any gentile fit this particular criteria,

Romans 11 11-36
Ezekiel 37


It applies to Gentiles because Gentiles were grafted in due to the previous branch dying due to sin. Now this was done to bring salvation to the world as Paul says and to also provoke the Jews to jealousy that some might be won.


In Ezekiel 37 21 then say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around, and bring them to their own land. 22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings[f] in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.




The way you speak its as if they will get some kind of "get out of jail free" card but God does not save and cleanse unrepentant sin which goes back to my original comments about them obeying the words of Peter.


Jesus already told the Jews of His day that," If you were the sons of Abraham, you'd do the works of Abraham."


So we already see that there is no free pass given to disobedience no matter what people call themselves.


Ezekiel 37 also speaks of every tribe becoming one as in the examples of the separate sticks representing the separate tribes and houses coming together to become one house.


It also speaks of covenants and again replace the word covenant with contract and then you understand that covenants are not one sided...both parties agree to behave and operate by certain standards of behavior the violation of which renders such covenant null and void which again God speaks of in Ezekiel when He compares Israel to a valley of dead dry bones. The whole chapter is about the restoration of Israel, how? By God putting HIS SPIRIT inside THEM.


He also speaks of "no man needing to teach you" in what you posted which is referenced in the letter from 1 John 2:27 and we are able to see that this is written to the Church who had been grafted in who no longer needed anyone to teach them because of


But the anointing which ye have received from Him abideth in you, and ye have no need that any man teach you. But as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

[LetUsReason]

Originally Posted by 1 God

I simply know that God made a promise to Abraham to save his physical descendants in the future.
I trust God was being truthful to him and will fulfill His word.
After Abraham died, God spoke about this same promise through the prophets, Jesus, then the Apostles.
It is laced from Genesis to Revelation.
I don't want to even start posting passages that you already know concerning this promise, but I trust you know them all(per your studies).
Some day, God will save all of physical national Israel, as they are sinners today...the way He saves everyone else.
His promise to Abraham will be fulfilled on that day. If God fibs here, half our Bible is a false deceptive book..
Folks merely question God's logistical operation, which is a non-starter.

I have no disagreement at all with what you say here.