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Old 10-23-2023, 08:48 AM
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There is no place in scripture that foretells of God coming to save the nation of Israel (or whatever you want to call them) Once God comes and sets up his kingdom. the only way a Jew comes into the kingdom of God is the same way every one else comes into it.

The only benefit the Jews had was that the Gospel was preached to them first before going to the Gentiles. They had one Generation to accept Christ before God sent Rome to destroy Jerusalem, God warned the Christians to flee Jerusalem When they saw the impending crises history tells that they did in fact flee and were saved.

I did have a thought this morning that as was the custom of the Jews to travel to Jerusalem for the Holy day that it was a good chance that most of the Jews were in Jerusalem from around the world when Rome set siege to Jerusalem. Can anyone confirm this?

God did everything he said he would do to those that refused to accept the Gospel as per Deut. 28
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Ask Josephus.
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This seems to spell it out well.
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While it spells it out well, there is one thing to remember. That all prophecy was fulfilled in 70ad now if you believe as I do, than the all Israel that Paul talks about being saved are now in the church or body of Christ, and those that call themselves Jews are just that.

As has been stated by Evang.Benincasa on several occasions is that to be a Jews by blood must be proved by genealogy that was destroyed when Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 ad. I believe the time of the Gentiles that is spoken of in scripture being ended was in 70 ad now we are one people, granted different nationalities but no longer Jew or Gentile.

Rev 21:24.. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it...
Rev 21:25.. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

We are living in this time.
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While it spells it out well, there is one thing to remember. That all prophecy was fulfilled in 70ad

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Rev 21:24.. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it...
Rev 21:25.. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

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How you are unable to see the doublethink in your own belief system here is beyond my capacity to understand.
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I don't think Matt. 24 has been fulfilled?
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I don't think Matt. 24 has been fulfilled?
All or part ? If not, what part?
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Haven't seen Him coming in the clouds yet...
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The full preterism view pictures a God that has been defeated by his own creation and appears unable to take it back from wickedness. So everything has become an immaterial hope, because that’s all their “God” can actually do.
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The full preterism view pictures a God that has been defeated by his own creation and appears unable to take it back from wickedness. So everything has become an immaterial hope, because that’s all their “God” can actually do.

Do u view Rev. 22:15 as following the new heavens and earth, and the 2nd death lake of fire?

Or preceding…

What’s your take on that verse?
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