1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?

[Dan'D]

Originally Posted by pelathais

1> Without a doubt, in my mind at least. Freedom of association is a right that patriots have given their lives to defend.

2> They should not have used the UPC mailing list. To purchase a license for the list for one purpose - and sign that you agree to the terms; and then to use it in violation of those terms shows a bad spirit to me. I know that these men are not answerable to me, but they could have found a way to communicate with just as much effectiveness and avoided the ethics charges.

Also, they really should have left the org before they started to recruit. They had agreed that they wouldn't divide the group in this fashion when they joined. This represents another ethical problem.

Are you sure that they purchase the list from UPC. That was not what I understood.

Dan'D

[Dan'D]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

Are you sure that they purchase the list from UPC. That was not what I understood.

Dan'D

Sorry I did not finish my thought

I understood that there list was of there (Tulsa 6) own Accumulation.

Dan'D

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

Sorry I did not finish my thought

I understood that there list was of there (Tulsa 6) own Accumulation.

Dan'D

Dandy, "info" at WPF said they bought it for "another conference" and that they used it for Tulsa. That's what they said.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dan'D

Are you sure that they purchase the list from UPC. That was not what I understood.

Dan'D

A poster here sent an email to the info at wpf email address and asked about that. The response they got back from "info" was that they used the list that they had purchased for "another conference" for the Tulsa Summit as well.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by pelathais

A poster here sent an email to the info at wpf email address and asked about that. The response they got back from "info" was that they used the list that they had purchased for "another conference" for the Tulsa Summit as well.

Read the email again. It seems to imply that they bought an updated list every year for events, and used the same one over and over throughout the year. Whether you see it as right of wrong, is your viewpoint. I really could care less at this point what they did, because I see them as just another UPCI.

Originally Posted by OfInterest

This was a dialogue between myself and whoever answers their email (info@worldwidepf.com) at the WWPF.

I first emailed and asked the following:

"Do you think it is unethical to steal a mailing list from an organization you are planning to leave and use that mailing list to advertise for your new "fellowship"/organization?"


Their reply:

"it was not stolen.
Sincerely,
God Bless You"

My response:

"If that is true, why was my UPCI ministerial ID on it?"


Their 2nd reply:

"The list was bought and paid for from the UPC. They used to give them
away and now they sell them. I helped sponsor a meeting and we used
to get a new one every year.

In case you wondered, there are UPCI mailing lists ALL over this
nation. I know of literally hundreds of ministers that have
them...Sorry.
God Bless You,"
I sent this third reply I sent on the 15th of January. I have not received a reply. (not that I anticipate receiving one):

"If you read the guidelines to using such a list, it states that they are for a one time use and your district superintendent must sign his approval for the use. Did you have district superintendent approval to use this list? Have you used it more than once? Also, was this the first time you has used that list? How many times have you used this same list? Also, UPCI idnumbers are not supposed to be included on out of the building mailings. This is a clear example of unethical behavior unbecoming ministers of the gospel."

I know the UPCI is not perfect. I have plenty of complaints, but organizations/fellowships are made of people and people are not perfect, thus this new fellowship will have plenty of it's own problems. If they were truly starting this organization over the TV resolution, it would make them look pretty silly and inconsistent when most of them have web broadcasts. You cannot legislate every media source. If they have other complaints, they should start talking about them instead of creating new fellowships/organizations.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Read the email again. It seems to imply that they bought an updated list every year for events, and used the same one over and over throughout the year. Whether you see it as right of wrong, is your viewpoint. I really could care less at this point what they did, because I see them as just another UPCI.

The sheer volume of your posts on the topic, and the heat with which you have stated your position would seem to indicate otherwise.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

The sheer volume of your posts on the topic, and the heat with which you have stated your position would seem to indicate otherwise.

The only reason I have posted FOR the WPF is because there are so few that are here that defended them, and so many that post against them. I am not a memeber, nor do I believe I ever will be, a memeber of the WPF. I really don't see a major difference in them and the UPC. Not enough of one to matter anyway.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The only reason I have posted FOR the WPF is because there are so few that are here that defended them, and so many that post against them. I am not a memeber, nor do I believe I ever will be, a memeber of the WPF. I really don't see a major difference in them and the UPC. Not enough of one to matter anyway.

OK, that makes me understand the situation a little more, I kind of wondered what your stake in it was.

The funny thing is, we agree on the last point, that is what makes me question it as much as I do!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The only reason I have posted FOR the WPF is because there are so few that are here that defended them, and so many that post against them. I am not a memeber, nor do I believe I ever will be, a memeber of the WPF. I really don't see a major difference in them and the UPC. Not enough of one to matter anyway.

Originally Posted by dizzyde

OK, that makes me understand the situation a little more, I kind of wondered what your stake in it was.

The funny thing is, we agree on the last point, that is what makes me question it as much as I do!

I just realized I spelled member wrong. TWICE!!!!! hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Read the email again. It seems to imply that they bought an updated list every year for events, and used the same one over and over throughout the year. Whether you see it as right of wrong, is your viewpoint. I really could care less at this point what they did, because I see them as just another UPCI.

Thanks for posting that Matt, and I appreciate your independent viewpoint.