Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 72

Esphes45 · #1 10-06-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Some people simply refuse to submit to spiritual leadership.
It is a spirit of rebellion.

I often stayed in churches where I disagreed with the pastor on some issues.
I was willing to submit myself to his leadership because I knew that it is correct to do so.
When the pastor mentioned a subject that I disagree with I simply kept quiet and ignored any urge to correct him or "set him Right". it was not my job to set my pastor right, that is God's job.

With all due respect and with much love, that is ignorant. For you to do that, you had to believe that this man with God in the flesh. Let me get this straight, if my pastor gets up and says "Fornication is not a sin" I am suppose to sit there and listen to that? And wait for God to correct him? Wow. Lord help us.

Rudy · #2 10-06-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

With all due respect and with much love, that is ignorant. For you to do that, you had to believe that this man with God in the flesh. Let me get this straight, if my pastor gets up and says "Fornication is not a sin" I am suppose to sit there and listen to that? And wait for God to correct him? Wow. Lord help us.

How about this one--sex is only for having children--I heard that.

UnTraditional · #3 10-06-2014, 09:08 AM

Sean, I pray for your healing man. Seriously, you have a spirit of rebellion and bitterness, and I pray that God would both heal and deliver you. I have been like this so many times in my past that it almost destroyed me. And this is not just about the tithe, but is about your entire spiritual well being. I pray the God of all hope would do such a work in your life of His grace and truth, that even you would be absolutely amazed. I say all this in His love.

Sean · #4 10-06-2014, 09:12 AM

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Sean, I pray for your healing man. Seriously, you have a spirit of rebellion and bitterness, and I pray that God would both heal and deliver you. I have been like this so many times in my past that it almost destroyed me. And this is not just about the tithe, but is about your entire spiritual well being. I pray the God of all hope would do such a work in your life of His grace and truth, that even you would be absolutely amazed. I say all this in His love.

Oh stop it!

good samaritan · #5 10-06-2014, 09:12 AM

Someone mentioned a few threads back that tithing was a pagan practice. They also insinuated that Abraham picked it up from the pagans and it sounded as if they even felt like it wasn't even from God at all. We are debating from the scriptures and our interpretation of scriptures, but that is going out of the scriptures a little much don't you think.(the Old Testament is necessary scripture)

Where do think the pagans got some of their ideas. Who came first the pagans or Adam, the pagans or Noah. The oldest religion in the world is Christianity. It may not always have been labeled as such, but the one true God revealed in Jesus Christ is the first God ever known. If anyone initially picked up any ideas it is the pagans from us not us from the pagans. Have you noticed that God requires blood sacrifice and that Noah after coming of the ark that was the first thing he did.

Where do you think most likely the pagans got the teaching to sacrifice. Of course I believe that they misconstrued it by doing it for false gods and by ungodly practices, but it was developed in the book of Genesis by God.My point is I don't think that tithing began by the pagans I think that it was began by the people of God. No scriptural basis just what I believe and that is all would tell anyone.

I don't force my personal opinions or hunches on other people, but I do share them when I feel it is needed.

Sean · #6 10-06-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Someone mentioned a few threads back that tithing was a pagan practice. They also insinuated that Abraham picked it up from the pagans and it sounded as if they even felt like it wasn't even from God at all. We are debating from the scriptures and our interpretation of scriptures, but that is going out of the scriptures a little much don't you think.(the Old Testament is necessary scripture)

Where do think the pagans got some of their ideas. Who came first the pagans or Adam, the pagans or Noah. The oldest religion in the world is Christianity. It may not always have been labeled as such, but the one true God revealed in Jesus Christ is the first God ever known. If anyone initially picked up any ideas it is the pagans from us not us from the pagans. Have you noticed that God requires blood sacrifice and that Noah after coming of the ark that was the first thing he did.

Where do you think most likely the pagans got the teaching to sacrifice. Of course I believe that they misconstrued it by doing it for false gods and by ungodly practices, but it was developed in the book of Genesis by God.My point is I don't think that tithing began by the pagans I think that it was began by the people of God. No scriptural basis just what I believe and that is all would tell anyone.

I don't force my personal opinions or hunches on other people, but I do share them when I feel it is needed.

Brother, I would like to ask you to just "glance" at this site.....http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/

It is the best non tithing site I have seen and then you could truly understand what helped me get into my mindset.

good samaritan · #7 10-06-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, I would like to ask you to just "glance" at this site.....http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/

It is the best non tithing site I have seen and then you could truly understand what helped me get into my mindset.

I may check it out later, but I have already searched the web and read countless people's arguments and they are right. I am not saying tithing is mandatory, but none can say it is not biblical. Every person is free to choose what they give and I am out line to tell them they or going to hell for the amount. You are doing that very thing though (telling tithers they are going to hell or not blessed).

With all my heart I feel I should tithe. I am not fearful that if I don't God isn't going to bless me. I am just thankful for what he has already done. If tithing has made you feel in such bondage in your past maybe you shouldn't tithe. It is personal and the only law we have as that of love. I love God so do things just as an act of my love to God.

Sean · #8 10-06-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I may check it out later, but I have already searched the web and read countless people's arguments and they are right. I am not saying tithing is mandatory, but none can say it is not biblical. Every person is free to choose what they give and I am out line to tell them they or going to hell for the amount. You are doing that very thing though (telling tithers they are going to hell or not blessed).

Not the tithers, but the tithe TEACHERS bro.

With all my heart I feel I should tithe. I am not fearful that if I don't God isn't going to bless me. I am just thankful for what he has already done. If tithing has made you feel in such bondage in your past maybe you shouldn't tithe. It is personal and the only law we have as that of love. I love God so do things just as an act of my love to God.

Amen, thats fine, it should be a "personal" conviction.

good samaritan · #9 10-06-2014, 09:47 AM

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The Lord does not want to "trick" him into thinking the Law, which is ended for the believer, is "blessable"

There is no tricks. Anything you do for God is blessable aside from sin. For getting up this morning and saying think you Jesus there is a blessing. If there is some man manipulating untraditional or making him tithe out of fear he should seek God's direction of where to be, but has already said it is his choice. My finances haven't been good for the last several years and a lot of it has to do with my decision to devote my time to the ministry. I quit the best job(financially speaking) I have ever had because the hours were interferring with my relationship with God. Money shouldn't mean so much to people. I gladly tithe because I want to know that.

good samaritan · #10 10-06-2014, 09:52 AM

I encourage people to simplify their lives get out debt and work less hours or free up their wife so both don't have to work. The people who tithe at my church I would rather see them tithe less and have more time for their families and the kingdom of God. More people means more church income. I don't want to see the same two or three families drained dry to take care of church finances AND ministries.