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Old 03-25-2008, 05:13 PM
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Well, this is the first I've heard, although I had my suspicions!

I'm happy for you and your husband. My pastor recently signed back on with the UPC. Maybe we'll meet up somewhere along the way!
I hope so Mizpeh. Maybe we'll visit on one of our trips to your city.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:18 PM
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I hope so Mizpeh. Maybe we'll visit on one of our trips to your city.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:11 PM
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I come back on and look at this thread and the first thing I see are those awful feet.

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Old 03-25-2008, 10:30 PM
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Growing up I rarely saw or heard about churches or people calling themselves "Apostolic" vs. Pentecostal.

As an adult I began to see it more. It is funny because I think the terms mean different things to different people.

I think the ultra cons like the AMFer's that left the UPC in the 60's used it to differentiate themselves from the UPC.

As others have mentioned in some areas of the country the word Apostolic is used by Oneness Spanish Pentecostal folks so it has that conotation.

In other situations I have seen where the words are interchangable. I think the biggest UPC church (with an ALJC past and influence) is The Apostolic Church in Pontiac, MI.

I was a little surprised that Pastor Holmes ultra con church in Little Rock is not called "Apostolic". That seems to be the preferred ultra con name.
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:32 PM
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There is also a huge movement today in the Spirit filled world that says they are "Apostolic" and it has nothing to do with what we think of. It is Apostolic in the sense that they have an Apostle who plants churches and oversees them, like the apostles did in the Bible.
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Re: Going back to the UPC

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Growing up I rarely saw or heard about churches or people calling themselves "Apostolic" vs. Pentecostal.

As an adult I began to see it more. It is funny because I think the terms mean different things to different people.

I think the ultra cons like the AMFer's that left the UPC in the 60's used it to differentiate themselves from the UPC.

As others have mentioned in some areas of the country the word Apostolic is used by Oneness Spanish Pentecostal folks so it has that conotation.

In other situations I have seen where the words are interchangable. I think the biggest UPC church (with an ALJC past and influence) is The Apostolic Church in Pontiac, MI.

I was a little surprised that Pastor Holmes ultra con church in Little Rock is not called "Apostolic". That seems to be the preferred ultra con name.
I was raised AMF and we called ourselves both Pentecostal and Apostolic. And they were not a split from the UPC they were a fellowship of many men from a few organizations and they went overboard, to say the least.
The Apostolic Assembly is Hispanic and we do use the term Apostolic but we also see ourselves as Pentecostal also. It is just the name of the organization that uses the term. The AAFCJ back in the early 1900 used the PAW for licensing purposes until about 1916. (by the way being raised AMF I now go to an AAFCJ church)

The ALJC does not even use Apostolic or Pentecostal. They are the Assembiles of the Lord Jesus Christ. They consider themselves to be both A and P.

lets see raised AMF, went to a ALJC, then to UPC, back to ALJC, then back to UPC, then to AAFCJ.
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:02 PM
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I was raised AMF and we called ourselves both Pentecostal and Apostolic. And they were not a split from the UPC they were a fellowship of many men from a few organizations and they went overboard, to say the least.
The Apostolic Assembly is Hispanic and we do use the term Apostolic but we also see ourselves as Pentecostal also. It is just the name of the organization that uses the term. The AAFCJ back in the early 1900 used the PAW for licensing purposes until about 1916. (by the way being raised AMF I now go to an AAFCJ church)

The ALJC does not even use Apostolic or Pentecostal. They are the Assembiles of the Lord Jesus Christ. They consider themselves to be both A and P.

lets see raised AMF, went to a ALJC, then to UPC, back to ALJC, then back to UPC, then to AAFCJ.
The AMF WAS a split off from the UPC. I think there are AMF Elders on here who will confirm that. They have recounted the story of how the split came about over church government, tithing to the district, etc.

This doesn't mean that other nonUPC men did not join them in the AMF org.
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It's what the apostles did, especially in their missionary travels. They planted churches, set up leaders, and then oversaw them and checked on them. They had men who cared for the churches that were started. At least that's the way I see it.

What would your definition of a modern day Apostle be?
Really I am not sure... But I do know the ministry of twelve is alive and well today.

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an apostle (based on the Greek word) is one who is sent.

Some apostles in the Bible seemed to be leaders.
Apostles were like missionaries or pioneer preachers.

The Apostle Paul and other apostles who accompanied him established churches, organized them, oversaw the appointing of leaders in them, etc. This sounds like what Eddie does.
This then is very far reaching in definition. Guess all missionaries and church planters could be considered Apostles.
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Sherri,

Yup. I have noticed it seems a recent "trend" in Charismatic circles is for the pastors to be referred to as "Apostles".
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Sherri,

Yup. I have noticed it seems a recent "trend" in Charismatic circles is for the pastors to be referred to as "Apostles".
Honestly, of all the five-fold ministry positions, Eddie is definitely more of an Apostle than anything else. He doesn't refer to himself as that, because it isn't accepted here, but he knows that's his calling. Why though is it acceptable to be an Evangelist, Pastor or Teacher....but not a Prophet or Apostle? I've never understood that rationale.

In Africa, they do call him Apostle Eddie Cupples. They seem to grasp the concept more than Americans.
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