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Old 06-13-2008, 03:38 PM
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ok rico, blame america for it all, the vast majority of violence in that country is not sectarian it is the foreigners, the successes we are having now in quelling some of it are a result of the sunnis and shiites who are sick of the killing, cooperating with us to suppress the terrorists , local and foreign, dt
There is a lot of truth to this statement. There will only be peace over there until the IRAQI's want it bad enough. Our prescence is helping to foster that peace, but honestly, that cooperation is relunctant at best.

Iraqi's don't want us "occupying" their country. But we are not leaving until their country is better than how we found it, and they realize that.

Iraq will prove to be a great investment for America's interests, in a few ways, just wait and see.
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ok rico, i dont want to argue with you, but i dont agree with your summation, the terrorist would be there at least some of them even if we left, the iranians are trying to undermine the new govt thru subterfuge, using the terrorists, some of them iraninan military as a proxy, god help us, dt
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ok rico, i dont want to argue with you, but i dont agree with your summation, the terrorist would be there at least some of them even if we left, the iranians are trying to undermine the new govt thru subterfuge, using the terrorists, some of them iraninan military as a proxy, god help us, dt
Didn't realize we were arguing, DT. One question for you. How many terrorist groups did we find there when we invaded Iraq?
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let me ask you this, my friend, would you stick around if the us military was coming, i wouldnt, would you come back to cause trouble, yes, zarquawi, the head of alqueda in iraq, the one with one leg that we killed was there before we invaded, that is documented, not sure about the rest, dt
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let me ask you this, my friend, would you stick around if the us military was coming, i wouldnt, would you come back to cause trouble, yes, zarquawi, the head of alqueda in iraq, the one with one leg that we killed was there before we invaded, that is documented, not sure about the rest, dt
What was he doing to undermine the government of Iraq? You see what I am getting at? Our being there has empowered these people to come out of the woodwork. Al-Queida is stronger now than it was before we invaded Iraq. Our whole purpose for going there was to eliminate the threat of WMDs Saddam Hussein supposedly had. The intelligence was obviously flawed. We toppled his government, set up a new one, got caught in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, and, in this whole process, managed to find ourselves fighting Al-Queida more than we ever did prior to this invasion. Where does it end, DT? You tell me. At what point do we say enough is enough with meddling in Middle Eastern affairs? The whole pre-emptive strike approach has only served to weaken the United States, not make it stronger.
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i dont know rico, i hope it will end soon, but i think we should finish our job, and get out, my brother who was there this time last year, and a marine from my ss class, think the same thing, god bless them, dt
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i dont know rico, i hope it will end soon, but i think we should finish our job, and get out, my brother who was there this time last year, and a marine from my ss class, think the same thing, god bless them, dt
The job is never gonna be done there, DT. We are not going to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, no matter how hard we try. These people have been going at it for thousands of years, Brother. Thousands of years, Brother. The conflicts are not going to end because the mighty USA has finally found a way to stick its big nose into the mix. First it was the WMDs, then a civil conflict, now Al-Queida. What's next?
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The job is never gonna be done there, DT. We are not going to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, no matter how hard we try. These people have been going at it for thousands of years, Brother. Thousands of years, Brother. The conflicts are not going to end because the mighty USA has finally found a way to stick its big nose into the mix. First it was the WMDs, then a civil conflict, now Al-Queida. What's next?
The "job" is actually being done now.

we are very close to an end of this thing. the only thing holding us back are the democrats who adocate yanking defeat from the jaws of victory.
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The "job" is actually being done now.

we are very close to an end of this thing. the only thing holding us back are the democrats who adocate yanking defeat from the jaws of victory.
We aren't close to the end of this thing. We are close to the beginning of whatever the next excuse for us staying there is going to be. You've already brought it up yourself; they will stay there as a deterrent.
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The job is never gonna be done there, DT. We are not going to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, no matter how hard we try. These people have been going at it for thousands of years, Brother. Thousands of years, Brother. The conflicts are not going to end because the mighty USA has finally found a way to stick its big nose into the mix. First it was the WMDs, then a civil conflict, now Al-Queida. What's next?
ok rico, i told you i dont agree with you, i think we can get it done, with support and patience, but it makes it harder for our guys to hear people back home act like they are criminals, when they are just doing there jobs, dt
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