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Old 06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
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Mizpeh, are you saying you believe the reason man sins is physiological?
What do you mean by physiological? of the flesh? is that the same as biological/genes/chromosomes?

I believe our fallen nature is in the flesh, the body of this death that Paul wanted victory over and that the Spirit in us helps us to mortify. Rom 7-8
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:58 PM
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What do you mean by physiological? of the flesh? is that the same as biological/genes/chromosomes?

I believe our fallen nature is in the flesh, the body of this death that Paul wanted victory over and that the Spirit in us helps us to mortify. Rom 7-8
Yes, is it physical? Do you believe the reason man sins is due to something physical and not spiritual?

A child is born with the Adamic nature. Do you believe this nature is physical and not spiritual?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:22 PM
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Yes, is it physical? Do you believe the reason man sins is due to something physical and not spiritual?

A child is born with the Adamic nature. Do you believe this nature is physical and not spiritual?
It has something to do with our flesh, our body and the connection between our mind.


When you experience sexual lust is it all in your mind/spirit?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:27 PM
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It has something to do with our flesh, our body and the connection between our mind.


When you experience sexual lust is it all in your mind/spirit?
Ah, good question. The physical reacts to the spiritual stimulus.

So, I'd say we physically act upon (or respond to) the spiritual stimulation of the Adamic nature.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:35 PM
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Ah, good question. The physical reacts to the spiritual stimulus.

So, I'd say we physically act upon (or respond to) the spiritual stimulation of the Adamic nature.
And how do you define the Adamic nature?

Does sexual lust even have to have a spiritual stimulus? Isn't touch, a physical stimulus, enough?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:43 PM
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Babies who do not have choice or will must be justified according to Adino even though they not only have not sinned they have NOT been tempted to sin.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:53 PM
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Babies who do not have choice or will must be justified according to Adino even though they not only have not sinned they have NOT been tempted to sin.
Yes, because they have been born in possession of something at enmity against God spiritually.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:05 PM
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Yes, because they have been born in possession of something at enmity against God spiritually.
Enemy of God WITHOUT choice or will.
Never committed a sin.
In fact never tempted to sin.
But they need to be justified for their innocence.

I realize this is a futile discussion in the real because neither Adino nor myself believes infants will go to Hell.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:17 PM
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And how do you define the Adamic nature?

Does sexual lust even have to have a spiritual stimulus? Isn't touch, a physical stimulus, enough?
I would think sexual lust must first have a recognition of the object of that lust. There must be consiousness, and then reason through thought sequence that an object recognized is indeed one to be lusted after. The physical would thus be responsive to nonphysical reason and yearnings or inclinations.

I would say the Adamic nature is an innate natural tendency toward a rebellion against the word of God. I guess this is where I would bring up again the yetzer hatov and yetzer hara, i.e., the dual inclinations in man toward good and evil. I would lean toward calling the yetzer hara (or evil inclination) that inclination which manifests the Adamic nature in all men.

How about you, Mizpeh? Do you believe the Adamic nature will be before the eyes of God with us in eternity?
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:22 PM
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Enemy of God WITHOUT choice or will.
Never committed a sin.
In fact never tempted to sin.
But they need to be justified for their innocence.

I realize this is a futile discussion in the real because neither Adino nor myself believes infants will go to Hell.
But, Steve, one's understanding of the imputation of sin carries over into one's understanding of the imputation of righteousness.
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