Gay apostolics?

[rgcraig]

Yeah, OA!

[*AQuietPlace*]

I think this is the key:

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That's fine--I understand your point. My point is not that we all struggle from time to time with different things--I'm sure many do--I know I have my own struggles.

However, we're talking about people who are NOT struggling against or denouncing their sin, but accepting it, justifying it by twisting scripture, and passing on that bondage to others.

Again, the scripture I just quoted--

Galatians 6:10 "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. "

Are we supposed to preach what men what to hear? If we only tell people what they want to hear, we aren't servants of Christ, but of men.

MissBratt, I hope you understand taht I was not in any way saying something negative about you I like you! I respect you. And I know that my good friend thinks the world of you - and that makes you good in my book

Originally Posted by Billy Boy

Hey, if God didnt want us to drink it, He wouldnt have invented it!!!!!!!!!! (just like icecream and pizza)

Ya, I say the same thing about frozen margaritas. LOL

[Aquila]

I think for many gays "repenting" isn't enough. They've "repented" a million times and it's just part of their nature. Imagine what it would be like if kissing a woman (or a man if you are a woman) didn't do anything for you...like you were kissing your mom or dad...but your body and interests regarding human need in this area responded to the same gender. I couldn't imagine how that would feel. That's why I think that there MIGHT be a genetic factor. In my opinion if something is "genetic" it's rooted in the "flesh". And sexual sin is a work of the "flesh". Their "flesh" just responds to the same gender for some reason. So considering these factors I think most homosexuals can't "repent" their way out of this condition. I think they need a miraculous healing that touches body, soul, and spirit. I've seen men repent and their attractions lead them right back to it. I've seen them have "devils of homosexuality" cast out of them...only for the attraction to continue and they be led right back into it. Unless you're a eunuch...intimate companionship is a need for most human beings. That means that unless their "attraction" changes they're going to naturally seek to fulfill that need. So I don't beat them over the head with "REPENT, REPENT, REPENT.", like that's all they need. Yes, they have to repent of the sin they've committed...but they need more....they need a change. They need a miracle.

[franklyn4]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think for many gays "repenting" isn't enough. They've "repented" a million times and it's just part of their nature. Imagine what it would be like if kissing a woman (or a man if you are a woman) didn't do anything for you...like you were kissing your mom or dad...but your body and interests regarding human need in this area responded to the same gender. I couldn't imagine how that would feel. That's why I think that there MIGHT be a genetic factor. In my opinion if something is "genetic" it's rooted in the "flesh". And sexual sin is a work of the "flesh". Their "flesh" just responds to the same gender for some reason. So considering these factors I think most homosexuals can't "repent" their way out of this condition. I think they need a miraculous healing that touches body, soul, and spirit. I've seen men repent and their attractions lead them right back to it. I've seen them have "devils of homosexuality" cast out of them...only for the attraction to continue and they be led right back into it. Unless you're a eunuch...intimate companionship is a need for most human beings. That means that unless their "attraction" changes they're going to naturally seek to fulfill that need. So I don't beat them over the head with "REPENT, REPENT, REPENT.", like that's all they need. Yes, they have to repent of the sin they've committed...but they need more....they need a change. They need a miracle.

So whats the difference between them repenting a million times and you repenting a million times for your sins? How many times have you repented for the same sin? Do you need a miracle too? Lol.

Reading your post you sound like you dont sin at all. lol.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by franklyn4

So whats the difference between them repenting a million times and you repenting a million times for your sins? How many times have you repented for the same sin? Do you need a miracle too? Lol.

Reading your post you sound like you dont sin at all. lol.

I'm not sinless. I have good days and bad days. I have days of victory and days of failure. I imagine my struggles with sin are no different than theirs.

And yes...I do need a miracle in my life to help me overcome some things. I do know this...even if that miracle never comes on this side...it will come when I'm glorified and like him.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not sinless. I have good days and bad days. I have days of victory and days of failure. I imagine my struggles with sin are no different than theirs.

And yes...I do need a miracle in my life to help me overcome some things. I do know this...even if that miracle never comes on this side...it will come when I'm glorified and like him.

I am sinless by the blood of Jesus.

I think we are talking about a group of people that don't feel they are sinning when they have sex with members of the same sex, not people that struggle with sin

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not sinless. I have good days and bad days. I have days of victory and days of failure. I imagine my struggles with sin are no different than theirs.

And yes...I do need a miracle in my life to help me overcome some things. I do know this...even if that miracle never comes on this side...it will come when I'm glorified and like him.

Aquila, do you embrace your sins as right, do you ignore scriptures that instruct you in a different path, do you encourage others to live sinfully as you do, and do you call it sin no longer, but an "alternate lifestyle?" Do you start church groups and invite all the people who commit the same sins you do to join and tell them they don't need to try not to commit those sins anymore?

I empathize with people who struggle against the flesh. Don't we all? It is not the same as those who cease to struggle, but accept their flesh as the ruler, and cease to give Christ the throne. They are leading others into darkness--and doubly blind, they will all fall into a ditch.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think for many gays "repenting" isn't enough. They've "repented" a million times and it's just part of their nature. Imagine what it would be like if kissing a woman (or a man if you are a woman) didn't do anything for you...like you were kissing your mom or dad...but your body and interests regarding human need in this area responded to the same gender. I couldn't imagine how that would feel. That's why I think that there MIGHT be a genetic factor. In my opinion if something is "genetic" it's rooted in the "flesh". And sexual sin is a work of the "flesh". Their "flesh" just responds to the same gender for some reason. So considering these factors I think most homosexuals can't "repent" their way out of this condition. I think they need a miraculous healing that touches body, soul, and spirit. I've seen men repent and their attractions lead them right back to it. I've seen them have "devils of homosexuality" cast out of them...only for the attraction to continue and they be led right back into it. Unless you're a eunuch...intimate companionship is a need for most human beings. That means that unless their "attraction" changes they're going to naturally seek to fulfill that need. So I don't beat them over the head with "REPENT, REPENT, REPENT.", like that's all they need. Yes, they have to repent of the sin they've committed...but they need more....they need a change. They need a miracle.

Good post.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If one professes to be a believer and is a practicing Homosexual that person is not following the teachings of Christ.