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Old 06-11-2009, 01:37 PM
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unsure of your question and it's point. I don't know as what is the concept of last days. If last days is 2000 years long. I guess.... I don't worry if we are or not. I look for his coming but I worry more about those around me whom I might reach than hearing Jack Vanpimp and his ilk trying to raise cane over his new found revelation etc...
Way off the topic of this thread but that has never stopped anyone before. I think the term "last days" refers to the period of time just prior to the end of OT. The NT started on day of Pentecost in Ac. 2. And the writer of Hebrews wrtes about what it "old and passing away." Some historians have said that was AD 70 at the destruction of Jerusalem.
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Old 06-11-2009, 11:50 AM
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Many of our Trinitarian friends and those down through history have looked at God through the stained glass windows of human tradition. While the Trinity is a man made innovation attempting to make God "understandable" to early European pagans, it's not something I view as being "damnable". It's a traditional way of looking at God. That's all. I believe that God often has to work through our limited and traditional understandings to speak to us and thus many Trinitarians and those down through history have sincerely heard from God. I think they'll be amazed how far off base they were with their tradition when they see the Lord, but I don't entirely write them off. Afterall... I don't even understand the mystery of God entirely and I'm Apostolic.

Most believers have repented of sin and been baptized. Some may have been baptized with traditional words spoken over them. My question is, - Were they trusting in the minister’s words… or the power of Jesus, calling on him in their hearts for salvation?

You see, I don’t believe there is a “formula” for baptism. *the room gasps*

That’s right. I believe that both Trinitarian and Oneness folks who believe in a “formula” are gravely mistaken. Baptism isn’t accompanied by a formula of magic words whereby it works only if the words are exactly right. Paul was told,
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
The issue isn’t what Ananias spoke over Paul when Paul was baptized…the issue is, did Paul call on the name of the Lord when partaking in water baptism? What a minister mutters over you at your baptism doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if YOU are not crying out to Jesus for salvation when you’re baptized. Some people think that their sins were forgiven because Pastor So & So said thus and such. WRONG! Their sins were only remitted if they themselves were crying out for salvation when water baptized.

Formulas are just baptismal liturgies. The question is… did the one being water baptized call upon the name of the Lord?

When it comes to “formulas” (baptismal liturgies) we Oneness folks are just as “traditional” as the Trinitarians and we risk giving the candidate religion instead of Jesus.
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Old 06-11-2009, 01:12 PM
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Many of our Trinitarian friends and those down through history have looked at God through the stained glass windows of human tradition. While the Trinity is a man made innovation attempting to make God "understandable" to early European pagans, it's not something I view as being "damnable". It's a traditional way of looking at God. That's all. I believe that God often has to work through our limited and traditional understandings to speak to us and thus many Trinitarians and those down through history have sincerely heard from God. I think they'll be amazed how far off base they were with their tradition when they see the Lord, but I don't entirely write them off. Afterall... I don't even understand the mystery of God entirely and I'm Apostolic.

Most believers have repented of sin and been baptized. Some may have been baptized with traditional words spoken over them. My question is, - Were they trusting in the minister’s words… or the power of Jesus, calling on him in their hearts for salvation?

You see, I don’t believe there is a “formula” for baptism. *the room gasps*

That’s right. I believe that both Trinitarian and Oneness folks who believe in a “formula” are gravely mistaken. Baptism isn’t accompanied by a formula of magic words whereby it works only if the words are exactly right. Paul was told,
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
The issue isn’t what Ananias spoke over Paul when Paul was baptized…the issue is, did Paul call on the name of the Lord when partaking in water baptism? What a minister mutters over you at your baptism doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if YOU are not crying out to Jesus for salvation when you’re baptized. Some people think that their sins were forgiven because Pastor So & So said thus and such. WRONG! Their sins were only remitted if they themselves were crying out for salvation when water baptized.

Formulas are just baptismal liturgies. The question is… did the one being water baptized call upon the name of the Lord?

When it comes to “formulas” (baptismal liturgies) we Oneness folks are just as “traditional” as the Trinitarians and we risk giving the candidate religion instead of Jesus.



So true. I cannot stand religion instead of Jesus.
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Pardon, some spirits are showing!

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Pardon, some spirits are showing!

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You do not need to be pardoned. And if you are going to accuse someone of showing a "spirit" ...please name who and what kind of spirit.
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Apparently water is not important Sis Falla according to this in Corithians.........

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom
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Apparently water is not important Sis Falla according to this in Corithians.........

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom
One plants, another waters, but only God can give the increase!

In Luke 24, just prior to his ascension, Jesus appeared and ate a meal
with his disciples. He wanted to give them some last minute instructions
before he went away.


44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

They went to the upper room in Jerusalem, rejoicing, expecting, believing
that the Promise of the Father would come to them.

They were tarrying in one mind and accord a few days later and the Promise
of the Father arrived. Read again in Acts 2. Peter's sermon and what happened.

How do we know the disciples knew what to do. Jesus told them and then
opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures.

They did exactly what Jesus told them to do and they received the Promise
of the Father.

The NT wasn't written then so Jesus was referring to the OT. The law, the
prophets and psalms. Confusion comes when men try to understand with their
own minds. We need the mind of Christ, by the Holy Ghost. The Word of God
proclaims, but the Spirit of Truth illuminates. Sheds light on the Word so that
we may understand the Word. We must have anointed minds and ears to
hear and understand the Word.

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Old 06-12-2009, 09:48 AM
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Apparently water is not important Sis Falla according to this in Corithians.........

16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom
That scripture has nothing to do with the "importance" of baptism, but the focus of Paul's ministry
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Onot to mention the sign it talks about the Jews needing which I will post

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393
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Thats right Pauls ministry..... and apparently baptism was not important in his ministry....
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