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Old 06-11-2009, 03:29 PM
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Re: Should You Do Outreach ONLY in the area you li

It says a lot IMO of the sad state of affairs in American Christianity.
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Re: Should You Do Outreach ONLY in the area you li

A UPC that neighbors us (UPC also) has started an outeach service in our state and city.

The pastor of said church did not contact us about coming into our city and setting up a preaching point or whatever you call it.

They have baptized several allready. We could not be happier for them. Whatever size city you are ministering in, there are souls you will never reach.

When I hear "my territory" I wanna slap someone. You mean to tell you are going to reach 100% of your town? Are saying you'd just soon that souls that you'll never reach should just be lost to the gospel.

It's GREED ...pure and simple.

Some pastors are fraid their tithe paying saints will go the "other" church in town. Treat your folks right and they will stay with. If folks are leaving you for the other church, theres a reason....and you are probably it!
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A UPC that neighbors us (UPC also) has started an outeach service in our state and city.

The pastor of said church did not contact us about coming into our city and setting up a preaching point or whatever you call it.

They have baptized several allready. We could not be happier for them. Whatever size city you are ministering in, there are souls you will never reach.

When I hear "my territory" I wanna slap someone. You mean to tell you are going to reach 100% of your town? Are saying you'd just soon that souls that you'll never reach should just be lost to the gospel.

It's GREED ...pure and simple.

Some pastors are fraid their tithe paying saints will go the "other" church in town. Treat your folks right and they will stay with. If folks are leaving you for the other church, theres a reason....and you are probably it!



Agree with you 100%!!!!
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People get attracted by NEW. There are many ways to attract people to other churches and pastors are using them. I can imagine the frustration of a local church and Pastor who loses a bunch of members to another church that installed a coffee bar.

And again while everyone is pointing fingers at the one church who lost members why do we approve of the cut throat tactics of churches to take members from OTHER churches rather than win new souls to the Lord? To the LORD...not to their church.



This has NOTHING to do with taking other members - I am talking only about trying to reach the lost.
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:31 PM
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This has NOTHING to do with taking other members - I am talking only about trying to reach the lost.
I didn't make my comments as though this had to do with taking other members....
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A UPC that neighbors us (UPC also) has started an outeach service in our state and city.

The pastor of said church did not contact us about coming into our city and setting up a preaching point or whatever you call it.

They have baptized several allready. We could not be happier for them. Whatever size city you are ministering in, there are souls you will never reach.

When I hear "my territory" I wanna slap someone. You mean to tell you are going to reach 100% of your town? Are saying you'd just soon that souls that you'll never reach should just be lost to the gospel.

It's GREED ...pure and simple.

Some pastors are fraid their tithe paying saints will go the "other" church in town. Treat your folks right and they will stay with. If folks are leaving you for the other church, theres a reason....and you are probably it!
Would that pastor be ok if your church did the same in their city? Since they are not gonna read 100% of that city either?
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I heard something the other day and was totally floored but I am just curious if this is how most pastors really feel - I would hope not but am just curious. There are two churches probably within about 20 miles of each other. Church A went to the little town where Church B is and put tracts on cards at a mall or some type of department store. Pastor of Church B called the pastor of Church A and reprimanded him for doing outreach in his town and told him that was not his territory! Is this normal?? I sure hope not because is sure doesn't seem biblical to me.
It is quite clear that the Great Commission is to go into the "whole world" BUT you need to use some common sense and courtesy and doing so.

Why would a church in one town go to the little town another church is in to pass out tracts when they have plenty of work to do in their own town?

The question in the title of this thread was so obvious I knew there had to be a catch and this is it - sounds like someone is trying to justify the unjustifiable by cloaking bad behaviour as just doing God's work.
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Would that pastor be ok if your church did the same in their city? Since they are not gonna read 100% of that city either?
I honestly do not know Prax. He is a new pastor there. We have no intentions in starting any kind of work in "his" city and if we did we would contact him and let him know our intentions since we are both UPc churchs 15 miles apart.
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It is quite clear that the Great Commission is to go into the "whole world" BUT you need to use some common sense and courtesy and doing so.

Why would a church in one town go to the little town another church is in to pass out tracts when they have plenty of work to do in their own town?

The question in the title of this thread was so obvious I knew there had to be a catch and this is it - sounds like someone is trying to justify the unjustifiable by cloaking bad behaviour as just doing God's work.


You are totally wrong in this assumption. I don't go to either one of the churches - I actually live about 500 miles from both of them so I don't need any justification for anyones actions. I was just floored when I was told this happened and honestly wondered if this is normal behavior. I know my pastor would NEVER do anything like this. Our church works WITH other churches doing outreach. We don't care WHO reaches them just as long as someone does and in my opinion I feel that is how a true pastor should feel. BTW I happen to know the pastor doing the outreach and he is a very meek and true man of God and just doing what the Bible instructs us to do.
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Would that pastor be ok if your church did the same in their city? Since they are not gonna read 100% of that city either?
I would assume, and hope, that the answer would be yes.
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