WPF church back on the offensive?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Thank you, Renda.

I try very hard not to debate personalities.

And, while I disagree with Brother Wilson on some things, I think he is a great, great man.

His book "In Bonds of Love" is one of the best books I've ever read.

Anxious to see how you feel about his theology in his latest sermons series that was published.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Anxious to see how you feel about his theology in his latest sermons series that was published.

Well, we can debate that on the WPF thread that socialite started.

I'll look at it after while, okay?

[Raven]

Whether the "Apostolic movement" is in trouble or not shouldn't be of great concern. Organizations, fellowships, and religious orders may come and go but this I know: The Church remains triumphant! For all those fearful Chicken Littles out there, God's not worried. Everything is on time and going according to His Grand and Glorious Plan.

What is disturbing is the negative fear mongering that goes on in various venues on a regular basis. Not getting enough attention? Got a problem with identity? Need a following? ......... Create an "enemy" or "crisis" and then rally those who are gullible to your cause. It's an old method tried and true in its effect.

The Church is in beautiful shape! Its victory is guaranteed. Now your "little kingdom" may be in trouble but God's church ......NEVER!!!
Matt 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Eph 1:3-12
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Raven

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Raven

Whether the "Apostolic movement" is in trouble or not shouldn't be of great concern. Organizations, fellowships, and religious orders may come and go but this I know: The Church remains triumphant! For all those fearful Chicken Littles out there, God's not worried. Everything is on time and going according to His Grand and Glorious Plan.

What is disturbing is the negative fear mongering that goes on in various venues on a regular basis. Not getting enough attention? Got a problem with identity? Need a following? ......... Create an "enemy" or "crisis" and then rally those who are gullible to your cause. It's an old method tried and true in its effect.

The Church is in beautiful shape! Its victory is guaranteed. Now your "little kingdom" may be in trouble but God's church ......NEVER!!!
Matt 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Eph 1:3-12
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Raven

Amen, Brother. Organizations come and go. But the Church of Jesus Christ stands in victory!

[Threads]

Originally Posted by Raven

Whether the "Apostolic movement" is in trouble or not shouldn't be of great concern. Organizations, fellowships, and religious orders may come and go but this I know: The Church remains triumphant! For all those fearful Chicken Littles out there, God's not worried. Everything is on time and going according to His Grand and Glorious Plan.

What is disturbing is the negative fear mongering that goes on in various venues on a regular basis. Not getting enough attention? Got a problem with identity? Need a following? ......... Create an "enemy" or "crisis" and then rally those who are gullible to your cause. It's an old method tried and true in its effect.

The Church is in beautiful shape! Its victory is guaranteed. Now your "little kingdom" may be in trouble but God's church ......NEVER!!!
Matt 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Eph 1:3-12
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Raven

Great post Raven!

By the way, here is another way to his blog.

http://www.drnjw.com/

[Blubayou]

Great post Raven!

[Sister Alvear]

beautiful post Raven...

[notofworks]

Someone PMed me and asked me if I'd seen this video. So I couldn't help but watch. This isn't an anti-Wilson post but can someone tell me what he does at 3:25? Couldn't he have re-filmed it???

[NewWine]

I will preface this posting by stating: This is not meant to be an attack against Bro. Wilson; he is a man of God and I respect him as such. This is only addressing the statement that he made.

I just watched the video and overall I found it to be quite political and self-serving. For what was stated I would have expected to feel more conviction/passion. I didn't feel the spirit of the Lord in what he was saying. I particularly didn't like the following statement:

" A lot of the things that you and I have been taught since our early childhood or since you came into the church are being questioned".

What I didn't like about this statement is that it insinuated that what one is taught cannot or should be questioned. I know he went on to talk about "Pentecostal Bluebloods"; but I still found that to be disturbing. I have been taught many things, yet, I have questioned those things. If one doesn't question and just accepts teachings at face value, how then can one find their salvation with fear and trembling?

[NewWine]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Someone PMed me and asked me if I'd seen this video. So I couldn't help but watch. This isn't an anti-Wilson post but can someone tell me what he does at 3:25? Couldn't he have re-filmed it???

I think you are talking about the nose thing.