***Districts begin to enforce Bernard Doctrine ***

[KWSS1976]

You know me NOW always speak my mind....lol

[KWSS1976]

No interpretation Sam and he was pretty loud....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

No interpretation Sam and he was pretty loud....

I figured that. I was just joshin' with you.

I personally pray in tongues just about every day but it's a personal thing. When I pray for someone, I do it in a language they understand.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Does anyone think it's even remotely possible that the "outward holiness" camp and the other camp will ever be able to co-exist peacefully in the same organization? I really don't think it's possible. The difference in opinion is too broad.

The leaders of the UPC obviously want the "look" of the UPC to continue to be a mainstay of the organization. I just don't see how that mindset can possibly co-exist with people who don't have that mindset.

There will either eventually be a show-down, or the "non-look" people will just continue to drift out, imo. I don't see how it can be otherwise.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Does anyone think it's even remotely possible that the "outward holiness" camp and the other camp will ever be able to co-exist peacefully in the same organization? I really don't think it's possible. The difference in opinion is too broad.

The leaders of the UPC obviously want the "look" of the UPC to continue to be a mainstay of the organization. I just don't see how that mindset can possibly co-exist with people who don't have that mindset.

There will either eventually be a show-down, or the "non-look" people will just continue to drift out, imo. I don't see how it can be otherwise.

No.

[SOUNWORTHY]

UPCI is finally headed back in the right direction, about time!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

UPCI is finally headed back in the right direction, about time!!

I'm puzzled... given the fact that this has been the successful and ongoing "direction" of the UPCI for at least the last 40 years, why the "about time" jab?

Just go back and follow the trail of new "doctrines" being introduced from the time uncut hair on women was offered in the 1950's, all of the progressive changes to the Fundamental Doctrine and Articles of Faith intended to marginalize the "One Stepper" position and the constant culling of the herd by forcing out anyone who doesn't go along with the "Three Stepper" creed or is suspected of being "weak on doctrine..."

The list goes on. This is just more of the same program that has been deceitfully implemented in the past; only difference is that from Bernard's perspective it can be done more openly now because of the momentum that his predecessors have built up with their subterfuge.

[pelathais]

This really will lead to the complete marginalization of the UPC and assure that the label of "cult" is affixed more assuredly.

For this program to advance a number of beliefs have to be instilled in the minds of its followers:

1) That the "Three Stepper Acts 2:38 ONLY salvation" plan was the original teaching of the Apostolic Faith Movement and was unanimously endorsed by the founders and pioneers of the UPC and the Oneness Pentecostal Movement.

2) That the current "holiness standards" with the prohibition against women ever cutting or trimming their hair has always been the norm.

3) That there has always been an historic body of believers who upheld this message along with its program of "holiness standards" throughout the history of the church.

Since these are obvious lies and fabrications, the whole spirit behind this program will be rife with continued deceit and other underhanded methods for its implementation.

Other Christian groups will see the lies (and have seen the lies) before those within the movement even know what's going on. This will lead those within the movement to proclaim themselves as being "persecuted" when in fact they are the persecutors of their own brethren and the lies will continue to build up.

In other words, pretty much the status quo since the late 1960's.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This really will lead to the complete marginalization of the UPC and assure that the label of "cult" is affixed more assuredly.

For this program to advance a number of beliefs have to be instilled in the minds of its followers:

1) That the "Three Stepper Acts 2:38 ONLY salvation" plan was the original teaching of the Apostolic Faith Movement and was unanimously endorsed by the founders and pioneers of the UPC and the Oneness Pentecostal Movement.

2) That the current "holiness standards" with the prohibition against women ever cutting or trimming their hair has always been the norm.

3) That there has always been an historic body of believers who upheld this message along with its program of "holiness standards" throughout the history of the church.

I was taught all of the above all of my life. It's certainly nothing new. I don't think the UPC is doing a 'new' thing, it's just reinforcing business as usual.

There are a large number of people who want that, who feel very strongly about it. So, as I said before, I think it's inevitable that there is going to have to be a parting of the ways between that group and the group that is deemed more 'liberal'.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I was taught all of the above all of my life. It's certainly nothing new. I don't think the UPC is doing a 'new' thing, it's just reinforcing business as usual.

How old are you, if may be so bold as to ask? (Round numbers if you desire).

I've heard it "all of my life" as well, however to those in the generation right above me it was all new.

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

There are a large number of people who want that, who feel very strongly about it. So, as I said before, I think it's inevitable that there is going to have to be a parting of the ways between that group and the group that is deemed more 'liberal'.

It is due to the historical time line of events here that I have a hard time calling the "PCI crowd" and those who are like-minded "liberal."

The uncut hair is really a "new thing," particularly when it comes to making it salvific and the whole "angels" thing that S.G. Norris introduced in 1937.

The prohibition on women wearing pants was a development from other groups and became a mainstay after the men returned from WW2 and chased the "Rosie the Riveters" out of the factories. Now, due to union corruption and bad government even the factories are gone - but that's another matter.

Just reading the works of people like A.D. Urshan, John Dearing, Howard Goss, Frank Bartleman, William Seymour, Glenn Cook and Frank Ewart will show that the "Three Stepper" doctrine is an innovation.

Real "conservatives" don't push for such radical innovations and change. Just go through some old family albums and you'll see the changes.