Should we still observe the sabbath?

[Esaias]

It was asked, "If we are still under any of the Old Testament laws, why did Jesus come and die?"

He died to save us from our sins. Sin is transgression of the law. He died so we could be free from our transgressions of God's law. NOT as some suppose by abolishing His commandments, but rather by forgiving us of our crimes and then MAKING US GOOD CITIZENS of His Kingdom through the regenerating power of His Spirit. His death and resurrection is meant to put LIFE into us, NEW LIFE, a Life of RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE in place of the old death-life of sin and ungodliness and disobedience. We are saved by grace, and that grace of God leads to REPENTANCE which means to STOP SINNING AND START OBEYING GOD BY FAITH.

And yes that includes the Ten Commandments.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It was asked, "If we are still under any of the Old Testament laws, why did Jesus come and die?"

Notice the question:
If we are still under any of the Old Testament laws, why did Jesus come and die?

My gosh, if we are still obligated to honour our parents then why did Jesus come and die?
If we are still obligated to avoid adultery and murder and theft then why did Jesus come and die?
If we are still under the command not to worship idols then why did Jesus come and die?

Friends, Jesus didn't come and die so you could now worship idols, or steal, kill, commit adultery, or abandon your parents. Nor did He come and die so you could now forget about His Sabbath day, either.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Notice the question:
If we are still under any of the Old Testament laws, why did Jesus come and die?

My gosh, if we are still obligated to honour our parents then why did Jesus come and die?
If we are still obligated to avoid adultery and murder and theft then why did Jesus come and die?
If we are still under the command not to worship idols then why did Jesus come and die?

Friends, Jesus didn't come and die so you could now worship idols, or steal, kill, commit adultery, or abandon your parents. Nor did He come and die so you could now forget about His Sabbath day, either.

How we are to observe the Sabbath day is the question really.

[loran adkins]

The question has been ask whether we are to follow the old testament ten commandments, I believe yes we are. But not in the way or frame of mind that they have been taught. I know that does not seem to make much since. But God said that he would wright the law on our hearts, in the new covenant. In other words when we are christian we should know what is right and wrong without someone telling us.

In other words, to love our neighbors as ourselves in inclusive of all the ten commandments.

Mat 22:34.. But hearing that He had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees were gathered together...
Mat 22:35.. Then one of them, a lawyer, asked, tempting Him and saying,..
Mat 22:36.. Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?..
Mat 22:37.. Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind...
Mat 22:38.. This is the first and great commandment...
Mat 22:39.. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself...
Mat 22:40.. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets...

To be more specific, to love our neighbor as our self means that we are not to covet, murder, steal, or any of the other things that the ten commandments teach us not to do.

Which then brings us to the sabbath day, the people, or I should say the leaders had taken to ten commandments and added to them rules that would make sure that they would not miss the mark and fail to meet the the requirements of the law of God. Jesus came and by example showed us that we did not have to be so specific, but we needed to learn what the spirit of the law was. We are instructed to work six days and then have a day of rest, but Jesus showed us by example that we don't have to be so regimented as the Pharisee instructed.
To be under the new covenant means that we no longer offer animal sacrifices or go to the temple as Jesus is the fulfillment of that part of the law. To take this one step further, we no longer have the temple as the temple was represented as the dwelling place of God on earth, and now we are the temple of God, as God dwells in us “we are the temple of God.”

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

The question has been ask whether we are to follow the old testament ten commandments, I believe yes we are. But not in the way or frame of mind that they have been taught. I know that does not seem to make much since. But God said that he would wright the law on our hearts, in the new covenant. In other words when we are christian we should know what is right and wrong without someone telling us.

In other words, to love our neighbors as ourselves in inclusive of all the ten commandments.

Mat 22:34.. But hearing that He had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees were gathered together...
Mat 22:35.. Then one of them, a lawyer, asked, tempting Him and saying,..
Mat 22:36.. Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?..
Mat 22:37.. Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind...
Mat 22:38.. This is the first and great commandment...
Mat 22:39.. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself...
Mat 22:40.. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets...

To be more specific, to love our neighbor as our self means that we are not to covet, murder, steal, or any of the other things that the ten commandments teach us not to do.

Which then brings us to the sabbath day, the people, or I should say the leaders had taken to ten commandments and added to them rules that would make sure that they would not miss the mark and fail to meet the the requirements of the law of God. Jesus came and by example showed us that we did not have to be so specific, but we needed to learn what the spirit of the law was. We are instructed to work six days and then have a day of rest, but Jesus showed us by example that we don't have to be so regimented as the Pharisee instructed.
To be under the new covenant means that we no longer offer animal sacrifices or go to the temple as Jesus is the fulfillment of that part of the law. To take this one step further, we no longer have the temple as the temple was represented as the dwelling place of God on earth, and now we are the temple of God, as God dwells in us “we are the temple of God.”

I pretty much agree with this, except I would say we are not commanded to "work 6 days and take a day off", but to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. It is a very specific day that anyone can find on a regular calendar.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

How we are to observe the Sabbath day is the question really.

The question is plainly answered in the Scripture. It's not complicated!

Exodus 20:8-11 KJV
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 12:10-12 KJV
And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The question is plainly answered in the Scripture. It's not complicated!

Exodus 20:8-11 KJV
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 12:10-12 KJV
And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Thank you I knew you would come back and answer the statement

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The question is plainly answered in the Scripture. It's not complicated!

Exodus 20:8-11 KJV
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Matthew 12:10-12 KJV
And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

You say it is plainly answered, but as I said, the word only says six days shall you work and, rest on the seventh day. So first what is the seventh day? You say it is Sat. most of the world and tradition say it is Sunday, scripture does not point it out. As I see it if we take one day out of seven we obey the word.
The next question is how we are to keep it holy and to what degree. Are we to do no work at all? Years ago I was a Sunday school bus driver, Sunday school teacher, Choir musician, so my day on Sunday started early to drive the bus, by the time we would get home Sunday after Sunday school and morning church service would be well after 1:00 or 2:00 and then back by 5:00 for choir practice. With getting home well after 10-11:00, so Sunday was not really a day of rest. Next what does it mean to keep the sabbath holy? For most of the world it means to go the church, but is that what the word means?

[good samaritan]

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

I know this will be dismissed or explained away, but here it is anyways.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

I know this will be dismissed or explained away, but here it is anyways.

It is dismissed and explained away by those who refuse to live by the command of God and who prefer instead to make it up as they go and do their own thing "in Jesus' name".

We can address that passage if you want, but only after you have actually addressed everything else that has been presented to you.