If We Shun the Trinity Because It's Unbiblical, Then Why Not XMAS? - Page 10

TRFrance · #1 11-17-2007, 08:45 PM

Let me ask this...
If a pagan goes into the city square at 1 am and worships his God...
And then I decide to go the the same city square at 1 am and worship MY God...

... am I committing a pagan practice by doing that?

(Rhetorical question, of course)

Evang.Benincasa · #2 11-17-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Let me ask this...
If a pagan goes into the city square at 1 am and worships his God...
And then I decide to go the the same city square at 1 am and worship MY God...

... am I committing a pagan practice by doing that?

(Rhetorical question, of course)

No it's called a coincidence, but if a pagan goes to the city square and worships his god at 1 AM and you go there at the same time and decide to copy the pagan's tradition of going to the city square and you then induct that tradition into Christianity, you also get your followers to go to the same city square always at 1 AM and teach that all of your followers must also teach future converts the same thing?

Well then, I would say that you are practicing a pagan tradition disguised as a Christian one.

Oh and also, the pagans who regonize their tradition, which you stole from them, have no respect for you.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

TRFrance · #3 11-18-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No it's called a coincidence, but if a pagan goes to the city square and worships his god at 1 AM and you go there at the same time and decide to copy the pagan's tradition of going to the city square and you then induct that tradition into Christianity, you also get your followers to go to the same city square always at 1 AM and teach that all of your followers must also teach future converts the same thing?

Well then, I would say that you are practicing a pagan tradition disguised as a Christian one.

Oh and also, the pagans who regonize their tradition, which you stole from them, have no respect for you.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

OK Brother B. I can see where you're coming from on that. But lets take that scenario a step further...

Imagine that, its a thousand years later, and believers in that area have been going to the city square to worship Jesus at 1 am, ... and most of them don't even know the origin of that particular practice (that pagans used to do the same thing), but the Christians do it as unto the Lord....

Then, even if people start coming around and telling the Christians that the 1 am worship practice was copied from pagans, Rom. 14:5-6 still applies here... Because they are worshiping Jesus, not pagans!!

As long as they are doing it unto the Lord, I believe it still honors God and is acceptable with God... But if some of the believers felt uncomfortable with the practice (because pagans were the first one's worshiping every 1 am in the city square) then out of personal conviction, if they decide to not do it any more, thats fine too. But they shouldn't judge the other believers and call them pagan worshipers if they are using the occasion to honor the true God of heaven.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Seems like there's a very basic concept here. Not very difficult at all.

Evang.Benincasa · #4 11-18-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

OK Brother B. I can see where you're coming from on that. But lets take that scenario a step further...

Imagine that, its a thousand years later, and believers in that area have been going to the city square to worship Jesus at 1 am, ... and most of them don't even know the origin of that particular practice (that pagans used to do the same thing), but the Christians do it as unto the Lord....

Then, even if people start coming around and telling the Christians that the 1 am worship practice was copied from pagans, Rom. 14:5-6 still applies here... Because they are worshiping Jesus, not pagans!!

As long as they are doing it unto the Lord, I believe it still honors God and is acceptable with God... But if some of the believers felt uncomfortable with the practice (because pagans were the first one's worshiping every 1 am in the city square) then out of personal conviction, if they decide to not do it any more, thats fine too. But they shouldn't judge the other believers and call them pagan worshipers if they are using the occasion to honor the true God of heaven.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Seems like there's a very basic concept here. Not very difficult at all.

Basic concept? Roman Catholic Church is based on such a concept.

Prayer beads thousands of years old and yet every devout Roman Catholic uses their prayer beads as unto the Lord.

Some Nuns are sincere and very devout and they keep their traditions as unto the Lord.

Lighting of candles, prayers for the dead, and robed clergy.

All pagan traditions that are thousands of years old and were converted to be done unto the Lord.

Does it make it Biblically correct? No, and that is what the thread title is saying and it's pretty easy to understand.
Xmas was hijacked paganism painted up to look like it belonged.

Romans 14 is speaking of not doing pagan traditions to cause your ex-pagan Brother to stumble. You see he gave up fornication with temple prostitutes, and eating things offered to idols, he is the new convert, and now he is watching you indulging in the name of Lord.

He loses his respect for you and your religion, keep in mind that the pagan was told that you had the TRUTH.

All he sees is that your so called truth is, is partial truth cloaked in his old pagan traditions.

We are living in a Internet anti-Christian world in where people have all kinds of information at their fingertips, and we need to presents good solid arguments to those who want answers and not just chestnuts roasting on an open fire.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

TRFrance · #5 11-19-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Romans 14 is speaking of not doing pagan traditions to cause your ex-pagan Brother to stumble. You see he gave up fornication with temple prostitutes, and eating things offered to idols, he is the new convert, and now he is watching you indulging in the name of Lord.

He loses his respect for you and your religion, keep in mind that the pagan was told that you had the TRUTH.

All he sees is that your so called truth is, is partial truth cloaked in his old pagan traditions.

We are living in a Internet anti-Christian world in where people have all kinds of information at their fingertips, and we need to presents good solid arguments to those who want answers and not just chestnuts roasting on an open fire.

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Benincasa,
You and the other anti-Christmas folks have not really responded to the core issue in Romans 14:5-6 which I've spoken of . Paul makes it very clear that one saint might choose a honor the Lord on a particular day, while another saint may choose not to . "Let each me fully convinced in his own mind".
If you choose not to observe Dec 25th as unto the Lord, then just don't, that's all.

What is so hard about that?

Sister Alvear · #6 11-18-2007, 09:15 AM

I am glad one day earth recieved the greatest gift from heaven and the angles rejoiced for UNTO US was given...JESUS...
Everyday of the year I will rejoice that He was born for he could not have died without first being born.

rgcraig · #7 11-18-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I am glad one day earth recieved the greatest gift from heaven and the angles rejoiced for UNTO US was given...JESUS...
Everyday of the year I will rejoice that He was born for he could not have died without first being born.

Amen Sis. A!!!

IAintMovin · #8 11-18-2007, 10:08 AM

I Love Christmas.............

Presents.............

Family................

Friends..................

Church...............

His Birth................

His Power..............

His Anointing........

Man I love Christmas..............

All you who want to paganize everything....go ahead......I feel for you.....Me it is about the things listed above.....sorry your view is soooo limited.........

Reminds me of the old man who the grandkids smeared limburger cheese under his nose and when he woke up he said.........something in this room stinks.......then he walked through the house and said.......this whole house stinks........then he went outside and said.........The whole world stinks........

Man I love Christmas...............

rgcraig · #9 11-18-2007, 10:26 AM

I try to tolerate someone that believes differently about it. I don't understand it and think the argument is weak, to say the least, however it's their right.

I don't see much difference in this than those that want to hold extra-Biblical standards and get all upset that everyone doesn't believe it like them.

I just try to be tolerant.

Michael Phelps · #10 11-18-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I try to tolerate someone that believes differently about it. I don't understand it and think the argument is weak, to say the least, however it's their right.

I don't see much difference in this than those that want to hold extra-Biblical standards and get all upset that everyone doesn't believe it like them.

I just try to be tolerant.

Tolerance - a major character flaw, usually found in LIBERALS!!!!!!! Hehehe....