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Originally Posted by tv1a
The Bible explicitly says the ministry is to equip the saints. That alone automatically elevates the ministry to a leadership role. There was a reason Jesus trained the twelve. You can bet Jesus was in charge. He trained the disciples, rebuked them, loved them, and served them.
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Jesus our Messiah also taught this to the Apostles:
20 ¶Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
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But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Matthew 20:28
Jesus said nothing about one person lording over others. Period.
However, no doubt that there are many pastors out there who follow Jesus' teachings concerning this manner, somewhere.
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Originally Posted by tv1a
The Corinthian church is a great example to show what happens when the inmates run the asylum. There is more to Jesus than the Sermon on the Mount.
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So...are you admitting that some of our earthly churches can be considered an asylum? I know that you are not comparing Christ's church to an insane asylum so it must be the way some of our organized church systems are being run by man?
I Corinthians 6, teaches us that the saints are to judge wrongdoings in the church...not some hierarchy.
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
Paul says that the saints will judge the world and he says "
we shall judge the angels". By saying that, Paul counted himself among the saints...not elevated himself to the level of "leadership" over the saints.
He does not call the least esteemed in the church 'trailer trash'. Those verses affirm that everybody is equal in Christ's church.
Getting back to the topic of this thread, the real problem here is that the pastor went to the council of the unbelievers, to the 'law', if you may, to secure a severance package for himself off the backs of 'tithepayers' after TB defrauded them. That is adding insult to the injury he perpetrated upon them. He should be tucking tail and running. Instead he is demanding that
they pay for his debauchery? That is bold and in your face SIN.
Where is the leadership now? Are they defending the 'sheep'? Who is looking after the saint's interest?
If they are not stepping in and standing in that gap, then they are wolves in sheep's clothing, allowing a fellow wolf to skin them alive. If they are looking after the saint's interests in that local body, then God Bless them and help them to administer righteous judgment.
However, scripturally, the church is supposed to go to the least esteemed in the church. Let the saint's override the wimpy board and appoint new board members to handle the problem. JMHO and I'm sure it doesn't mean much.
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