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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
The reality is that China is a very complicated place.
Before Nixon began the process of opening China to trade, the place was a killing field. Millions died because the government wanted to “cull” the population. They simply enforced laws that led to massive starvation. Some estimates suggest that Mao was responsible for somewhere between 40M and 80M people.
Even after Nixon, deaths due to government policy continued. Should we have done nothing? Invaded? Opened them to trade in the hopes that prosperity would bring change? Well, Nixon’s approach seems to have led to serious change in China.
Clearly there are serious and severe human rights abuses still taking place in China both in forced abortions and in a systematic almost genocidal approach to the Tibet issue.
China is NOT a free place and is still quite abusive. But the question remains, do we invade? Do we step away from them and not trade, not have engagement unless they change which is the fair trade approach, or do we continue to pressure and trade and try to help them see who China benefits from a more open society?
We also have to approach China with an understanding of the Chinese reality. China is a complex culture with a serious population problem. With over a billion in population, only 14% of China’s land can be used for agriculture! Not being extremely vigilant regarding population will lead to massive starvation where hundreds of millions could die.
The argument here that fair trade should be used to force China away from the one baby/forced abortion policy is simply wrong. It takes nothing into account in dealing with the reality of what China is.
China also can field a two hundred million man army. Actually its age group fit for military service of both men and women exceeds a half billon. China’s technology is developing at a rapid pace.
China, being a complex society doesn’t really take well to being told how to behave. Their government while not our enemy is certainly not our ally, and any attempt by the west to push them too hard as fair traders want, is likely to push them away from us and into alliances with our mortal enemies.
The solution seems to me to be to expand trade, work to pressure where we can and seek to empower the people by providing economic prosperity via trade. It is a free trade solution with strings. It is also the course America has taken consistently since the 1970’s it seems to be working. I don’t think the impatience being offered by “fair traders” should force us from a course that has paid dividends in fewer Chinese people being murdered by their government in their tortured history.
How is that for a reasonable answer?
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The reality is that China is a very complicated place.
Before Nixon began the process of opening China to trade, the place was a killing field. Millions died because the government wanted to “cull” the population. They simply enforced laws that led to massive starvation. Some estimates suggest that Mao was responsible for somewhere between 40M and 80M people.
Even after Nixon, deaths due to government policy continued. Should we have done nothing? Invaded? Opened them to trade in the hopes that prosperity would bring change? Well, Nixon’s approach seems to have led to serious change in China.
Clearly there are serious and severe human rights abuses still taking place in China both in forced abortions and in a systematic almost genocidal approach to the Tibet issue.
China is NOT a free place and is still quite abusive. But the question remains, do we invade? Do we step away from them and not trade, not have engagement unless they change which is the fair trade approach, or do we continue to pressure and trade and try to help them see who China benefits from a more open society?
We also have to approach China with an understanding of the Chinese reality. China is a complex culture with a serious population problem. With over a billion in population, only 14% of China’s land can be used for agriculture! Not being extremely vigilant regarding population will lead to massive starvation where hundreds of millions could die.
The argument here that fair trade should be used to force China away from the one baby/forced abortion policy is simply wrong. It takes nothing into account in dealing with the reality of what China is.
China also can field a two hundred million man army. Actually its age group fit for military service of both men and women exceeds a half billon. China’s technology is developing at a rapid pace.
China, being a complex society doesn’t really take well to being told how to behave. Their government while not our enemy is certainly not our ally, and any attempt by the west to push them too hard as fair traders want, is likely to push them away from us and into alliances with our mortal enemies.
The solution seems to me to be to expand trade, work to pressure where we can and seek to empower the people by providing economic prosperity via trade. It is a free trade solution with strings. It is also the course America has taken consistently since the 1970’s it seems to be working. I don’t think the impatience being offered by “fair traders” should force us from a course that has paid dividends in fewer Chinese people being murdered by their government in their tortured history.
How is that for a reasonable answer?
Summary: Ferd excuses China's police of forced abortion.
Fair Trade policies aimed at applying significant pressure in specific areas of the Chinese economy as incentive to expand human rights is far better than the ideas of invasion or ignoring the horror, and blessing it for the sake of our profit.
Summary: Ferd excuses China's police of forced abortion.
Fair Trade policies aimed at applying significant pressure in specific areas of the Chinese economy as incentive to expand human rights is far better than the ideas of invasion or ignoring the horror, and blessing it for the sake of our profit.
i got an infraction for calling you what you are.
they deleted my comment too.
therefore i am forced to give a more fleshed out verison.
this comment here is a sick and twisted distortion of what I said.
and I stand by the deleted statement.
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Are we feeding a beast that forces abortion (61 babies per hour) with our free trade policies?
Well, lets check out the logic here: Should we blame the Marines for killing JFK... since that's where Lee Harvey Osward learned how to be a sharpshooter? I think we'd all say of course not... Nobody forced Oswald to do what he did, so he's to be held responsible for his own decisions and actions.
Same with the China argument.
Wrongdoing is wrongdoing. If they're forcing people to have abortions, that is their decision, not something anyone is forcing them to do. Using the "shared-blame" line of thinking, I should share some of the blame, since the socks I'm wearing were made in China! Very weak. Not buying it.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Well, lets check out the logic here: Should we blame the Marines for killing JFK... since that's where Lee Harvey Osward learned how to be a sharpshooter? I think we'd all say of course not... Nobody forced Oswald to do what he did, so he's to be held responsible for his own decisions and actions.
Same with the China argument.
Wrongdoing is wrongdoing. If they're forcing people to have abortions, that is their decision, not something anyone is forcing them to do. Using the "shared-blame" line of thinking, I should share some of the blame, since the socks I'm wearing were made in China! Very weak. Not buying it.
I see it like advocating for free and open trade with Nazi Germany while the gas chambers and ovens are in use.
In China women who have already had one child are arrested and forced to take a pill or forcefully injected and issued a forced abortion often screaming and sobbing. These women have to watch as their bodies discharge the dead child. Many are Christian who refused elective abortion. This is worse than rape rooms in Iraq. Not to mention abuse regarding religious liberty, worker safety, political speech, and art.
Fair Trade supporters see this as a fundamental violation of human rights. Fair Trade policies would require China to make progress in the area of human rights to maintain trade status.
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