Is the UPC a Den of Incest (Growth Within)?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I agree totally. must have balance. this is something I have had to learn the hard way. I got so used to talking with people who knew the Bible...that when I ran into this lady who had almost NO knowledge of even the most basic things in the Bible it threw me for a loop....had to be really careful to break things down to its most basic...it was awesome though cause she was hearing it for the first time and she wasnt having to filter it through tradition...still working on her.

I manage the engineering for the largest cereal plant in the world. We will have a 30 million dollar capital plan this year.

I oversee up to 80 projects at once, and have 10 Project Managers, assorted Project Engineers, Programmers, admin support, etc.

Each morning, I have a status review meeting that last about 15 minutes. It's straight to the point, everyone assembles, and I ask them "What are you working on today/what are your roadblocks/what do you need from me/what do you need from others on the team"?

Now, we have nearly a million square feet under roof here, with over 5000 pieces of equipment, and we produce a million pounds of cereal each day.

My seasoned PMs and myself have been here long enough that we know the plant processes, and a PM can give me one sentence, and I know exactly what he's talking about and where.

However, I have (4) brand new interns who stand there with a glazed look in their eyes when one of my PMs says "I'm working on a project to replace the hot water tank in the Ruby penthouse".

I know exactly what he means, and most of the other seasoned staff know, but my poor interns are as confused as a person who's just been told to go sit in the corner of a round room.

It would be ludicrous for me to expect that a co-op can learn what he or she needs to know within a 15 minute period each day, where we are talking about advanced procedures.

So, each week, for about an hour each day, I spend time strictly with the co-ops, and we pick one spot in the plant, I walk them thru the processes, explain the equipment to them, and then we discuss it in depth in my office. This is difficult for me to do, since I'm so busy, but it's absolutely crucial, not only to the co-op's development, but also to get them to a point where they can handle their own projects and be valuable to the team.

This, in my opinion, relates to the way many churches try and do business. We expect that the new converts will learn the basics about our doctrine and lifestyle by listening to a couple of sermons each week that are geared more toward the seasoned saints.

The one-on-one time with the new converts is invaluable, and I applaud churches that are taking the time to do it.

[mizpeh]

Great insight, MP!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Great insight, MP!

Why thank you, sis.

It was learned from experience, lol.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

THERE . . . . . . . . YOU . . . . . . . . . . GO.




Stand back boys, don't let her spray any spit on you!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

As a woman that birthed 9 babies I will tell any man that wants a LARGE family, DO IT YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!

Hah!

And as a woman who's birthed 4 babies, I'd love to have a few more. Any single guys out there want a really big family(hey, I'd be happy to stay at 4 if I must...)? lol

I know for a fact I'm not going to attempt to raise 5 kids by myself, 4 is really more than I can do.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Anything that does not reproduce and evolve will die. The UPCI started out well, as a group to fellowship and encourage growth and evangelism. But, when the spirit of religion came in and words like "whole truth" were spread about, pride came in and the spiritual inbreeding began. Suddenly, preterists were kicked out, PCIers were not welcomed, and no one could be part of two orgs. Religion became god and Christ became a byword to some of them in leadership. The individual ministers were restrained in what they could and could not do.

But, the winds are blowing, and souls are seeing light outside the UPCI, that others are saved and living a godly life.

Baloney again. Brother you talk a lot...lol but you say little with substance. Too much sweeping generalizations, To many empty assertions with no proof.

"whole truth" like the "whole gospel" and "full salvation" were always a part of the UPCI. The Preterists were not "kicked out" either. Many UPCers STILL ARE PCI. And what are you complaining about not being able to be part of two orgs? What does that prove? Name names here bro...WHO are the leaders that Christ because a CUSS word to them (yes that is what byword means). How are individual ministers restrained in what they could and could not do? You realize most if not ALL organizations have limitations? You think that is problem? We need accountability.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by CC1

If this is the case then;

1. Your husband must have been a member of one of the small offshoots of the major Church of God org's since the COG Cleveland TN has for the most part mirrored the AOG for the last 30+ years regarding so called "standards"

or

2. Your husband must be older than dirt!!!!

LOL! My husband is the same age as MOW, sooooo if my husband is older than dirt than what conclusion do we draw for MOW?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Perhaps this is what MOW meant, an inbreeding of spiritual DNA leading to retarded growth.

Without "new blood" there is no fresh perspective.

The challenge is perhaps in having an infusion of new blood without losing sight of the original vision of the house.

And to that unfortunately I am not sure there is a pat one-size-fits-all answer.

It is a constant balancing act to infuse new without betraying what should be immutable.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Can you say,

BILLY BOB

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Exactly what I meant! Thank Griff!!!

Nice try, MOW, but your "Billy Bob" left you hanging - out to dry - in the damp weather.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Hah!

And as a woman who's birthed 4 babies, I'd love to have a few more. Any single guys out there want a really big family(hey, I'd be happy to stay at 4 if I must...)? lol

I know for a fact I'm not going to attempt to raise 5 kids by myself, 4 is really more than I can do.

Yeah well since your moving to TX that just might happen. Git-er-done sister.

[Jekyll]

Who changed the name of the Thread??? grrrrr.

Incest means sexual acts between siblings or other closely related reneck I mean relatives. It has nothing to do with reproduction other than the offspring of incestuous relationships usually have major genetic difficulties. To compare that offspring with a 60 year old organization is retarded (no pun intended).

MOW was taking his chance in that post to trash the UPC, which is becoming of him. I echo Ferd's and PO's sentiments, glad he's gone and that the statement was one of the most immature, irresponsible, rediculous and acidic things a grown man could say.

Everyone thinks that I should leave if I don't like this forum. I can see your point but those same people should tell him to shut up also if he doesn't care for the UPCI organization.