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Old 02-13-2009, 02:03 PM
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Re: "50 things I would do - If I were a Pastor"

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The Lord has called you to "someday" be a pastor?

I've never heard of such a thing.

If you're called, you should be operating within that calling.

Why aren't you?
Ed,

I have been true to myself. I would not take on the office or start a church, unless I could be 100% committed.

We just went through 15 years of extreme pressure, with our son's medical condition.

He was born with a terminal genetic condition, called Fanconi Anemia.

There are only a few thousand people in the world, that have this disease.

Without looking back at the years between 1993 and 2004.

From 2004 until the present time.

From the age of 14-almost 19.

My son's care and treatments (Non-Related Bone Marrow Transplant) in 2004 and then the next few years.

Generated 2.4 million dollars worth of medical bills.

So to start a church or take on a work, would have been an added stress to our situation.

He is turning 19 in April and will be attending, a Technical school in the Fall.

My wife is looking to start work, in the near future.

His care for the past 15 years has been hundreds of medical visits.

So it has been the situation of our family, that has kept me out of the starting gate.

Once again here is his website journal since July 2004.

http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/johna...tadt/index.htm

I do not expect others to understand our situation.

But I still fell the call and have told the Lord, "I will step out and do his will in his season."

My aim with this thread was not to slam any known past or current pastor, teacher or evangelist.

And no one on this forum.

I was asked by someone to write down, what I would do, if I were to become a pastor?

They wanted to see from my point of veiw and my thoughts.

Everywhere else except this forum.

Others gave me some varying advice, in a helpful tone.

Many came back to me and asked how strongly, I felt about certain line items and why?

Then they took my thoughts and thought about my reasons and thought process.

Not that they nor anyone on this forum, has to subscribe to my style.

I understand that many pastors, would have a track record of trial and error.

Also that each and every situation takes on a life of it's own.

Many current pastor's, might not be able to use their own current methods at another assembly.

In as much that my starting place, would change quickly, as the lay of the land is surveyed.

Thus the reason why I left #50, to change as needed.

I respect the office of the ministry from all directions.

I was looking for more sound advice, from those posting in this thread.

What I received in response, was a picking apart of each line item.

Not once did anyone aske me for my reason, or point of view, on why I listed each item?

I got the initial response of who are you? You have never pastored!

Then I listed my experience, as I did in the original post.

That my family is in the ministry, from every branch of my direct family.

So that was not good enough, since I had never pastored.

What would have been launched at me, if I were first generation and had no ministerial experience in my family?

Sometimes it is a good thing, to look at observations from those on the outside.

What is brought to bare is the fact, that some of my items were observations.

It would have been nice, to receive advice and not slams

I can't stand adding all the comma's.

Repsectfully,

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Old 02-13-2009, 02:21 PM
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Re: "50 things I would do - If I were a Pastor"

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Nathan,

I am just curious. Why are you surprised that they (laypeople/pastors) would react they way did? I know you said your list isn't towards anyone, but it is about being a pastor and we have many pastors that post here, they are bound to feel your list is someway a subtle rebuke to their ministry.


A list like this is bound to create a reaction. Just food for thought.
Really?

React by slamming someone, who is trying to look at a solid approach and method?

I wonder what would have been launched at me, if I were a new saint and wrote the list?
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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Tue. And in all honesty until that gets to #1 on his list the other 50 things don't mean a whole lot.

Until you walk in someone else's shoes and life experience.

Do not be so brazen and judgemental!

You have no idea of my journey...
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:26 PM
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Paul took a long while to operate in the calling of an apostle. God called him from the get-go to preach to the Gentiles. It wasn't until he was at Antioch that the Holy Spirit sent him forth to fulfill that calling.

Maybe that is similar to what Neck is talking about.


Very sound observation.

Many may be called.

It is the season that we should also understand.

The pastor at Parkway Apostolic Church in Oak Creek, WI.

My home church for several years.

Started the church when he was 51 years old.

He then built the largest UPC church in the state of Wisconsin.

Built it to nearly 2000 members.

It is not the age of the start.

It is the season that is also a very large part of the call!
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:46 PM
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The problem Neck is you view eternal salvation as a product to pedal!

Jn 16:31 Jesus says, "Do you now believe?"

For the Lord Jesus to ask that question, there had to be other things, that were brought to light?

There is a process of deliving the gospel, to the sinner, or a concept, to an established saint.

When a church starts a building program, there is a sale to the people, that has to take place.

God can prick the heart of man, in anyway he wants.

But then again, how many of the newly saved, stay in our churches?

It is an acceptable level?

Maybe with a better delivery, post salvation experiece, many more might stay and not walk away.

This is the area, that understanding human nature is very important.

In trying to understand, what part of the process this relates too?

Think of it in terms of customer service.

Do we go back to an establishment, after getting ignored or experience awkward interactions?

My thoughts are only a way of thinking, about how to look at these questions, they are not the full solution.

I am not selling a product, but looking at human nature and nurturing.

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Old 02-13-2009, 02:51 PM
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...in all fairness, there were several points that I did like.... in fact, they are really good...

I will use them when I pastor!

Thanks, the other items were, not meant to be controversial.

They were my own ideas...
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:55 PM
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I can tell that you take your business serious, and I can see why you're successful! It's very hard to crack an account that has a strong relationship with your competitor. Sooner or later the competition will slip and mess up, and the door may crack open a tiny little bit. If you've impressed them with your previous presentations, they might give you a project that will send a message to your competition that they have choices. That little crack can turn into a wide open door from then on when you have a chance to establish a relationship.

The way I see it, there are two stages to growing a church:
1. Create something (choir, praise team, band, preaching style, etc.) that is very good and entertaining and will be a reason (buzz) for people to check you out for the first time. In other words, something that will bring them in the doors.

2. Keeping them there! Relationship! Relationship! Relationship!
I agree with your thoughts...
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:30 PM
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Really?

React by slamming someone, who is trying to look at a solid approach and method?

I wonder what would have been launched at me, if I were a new saint and wrote the list?
Well it's the nature of AFF, some just love spirited debate. If it's any consolation at all there are many here that appreciate you

I think this thread has been very interesting, having many us discuss why as pastors we do some of the things we do-I think that is pretty good.

But as far as a new convert- I would not recommend one to come here! No way!
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Really?

React by slamming someone, who is trying to look at a solid approach and method?

I wonder what would have been launched at me, if I were a new saint and wrote the list?
Come on, now. Surely you are smart enough to realize that some of your suggestions came across as "slams" or criticisms?

I've read some good posts by you--especially the ones awhile back in regard to marriage. So I'm not biased! This thread comes across arrogant and know-it-all-ish whether you meant it that way or not.

You seem to want preachers (and others) to take what you suggest with no feedback, but you aren't taking suggestions from others very well.

Turnabout is fair play.
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Re: "50 things I would do - If I were a Pastor"

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My aim with this thread was not to slam any known past or current pastor, teacher or evangelist.

And no one on this forum.

I was asked by someone to write down, what I would do, if I were to become a pastor?

They wanted to see from my point of veiw and my thoughts.
In all honestly, this is how I took the original post. I read the post before there were any comments, and I didn't find it offensive at all. I was expecting people to chime in with their own lists. I didn't, because I wouldn't have been able to think of 50 things.
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