Baloney again. Brother you talk a lot...lol but you say little with substance. Too much sweeping generalizations, To many empty assertions with no proof.
"whole truth" like the "whole gospel" and "full salvation" were always a part of the UPCI. The Preterists were not "kicked out" either. Many UPCers STILL ARE PCI. And what are you complaining about not being able to be part of two orgs? What does that prove? Name names here bro...WHO are the leaders that Christ because a CUSS word to them (yes that is what byword means). How are individual ministers restrained in what they could and could not do? You realize most if not ALL organizations have limitations? You think that is problem? We need accountability.
I'm glad you beat me to it.
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Incest means sexual acts between siblings or other closely related reneck I mean relatives. It has nothing to do with reproduction other than the offspring of incestuous relationships usually have major genetic difficulties. To compare that offspring with a 60 year old organization is retarded (no pun intended).
MOW was taking his chance in that post to trash the UPC, which is becoming of him. I echo Ferd's and PO's sentiments, glad he's gone and that the statement was one of the most immature, irresponsible, rediculous and acidic things a grown man could say.
Everyone thinks that I should leave if I don't like this forum. I can see your point but those same people should tell him to shut up also if he doesn't care for the UPCI organization.
Another meaning is:
incestuous - excessively or improperly intimate or exclusive <mainstream fashion magazines have an incestuous relationship with advertisers
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Well I'm glad Rhoni agrees w/ me on this thread ...
but we all know she's a feminazi.
Shows what the proverbial "they" know.
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I watch my daughter also ... I am bothered when another man tells me that she shouldn't have a slit on her skirt ... or that it might be too high because he can see her knees or that it might be too tight ...
or maybe she's not saved ...
Reminds me of one of the super -heros of the movement who, when preaching at his home church, told the story of how a 16 year old girl got up in church to go to the restroom and a man walking past the church drug the girl from the church into the back and raped her...it was a good lead in to why our young women shouldn't wear slits in their skirts. I had to sit on my hands and bite my tongue at the igorance of the preacher that is in limelight so often that I want to throw up!
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I doubt anyone ever tells you or your daughter that.
I know what you are saying though, and it's always up to the Father how his daughters are raised... my pastors never tried to raise me, my parents did.
I will verify that Daniel raises his own children and takes care of them by himself in the church and in the restaurants. They are never out of his sight. He is an awesome father.
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It's good thing you don't really have an axe to grind . . . . because folks sure might get the wrong impression from this post . . .
I disagree about looking like the general population. I see a paradigm shift where Christian men are easily discernable amongst the backdrop of the ocean of tattoos and piercings prevalent today. Not to mention the mop tops and variety of goofy arrangements of facial hair. A clean shaven face or a plain, standard beard stand out. Not to mention that I'm often wearing long sleeves when others are wearing short sleeves, and I'm still wearing long pants and a shirt of some sort when others are wearing nothing but shorts.
Looks like Rhoni is in your cheering section, though. Whoo hoo! Go Rhoni!
There were only two Apostolic young people in our local High School. I was a freshman and the young man was a senior. At church he was always wanted to date me, but at school he was too embarassed to even say hello in the hallway since I was the only girl with a dress to my knees and my hair piled up in a bun on my head. There are very few outward evidences of men's separation as compared to women. Bro. OP here is talking about extremes not the norm.
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I think you're on to something here. Women have really been pushing the envelope ever since the eruption of the feminist movement in the '60s. Women at large have been dragged slightly in the direction of the radicalized fringe, because the fringe sets the dialoge and tugs on the mainstream. Men have largely been set adrift during this time, some have learned how to (cynically) benefit from the new, liberated version of females, but most have been victims of the new paradigms in family law. In short, women have further to travel to come home to a biblical worldview for a woman's calling. Most women today have an exceedingly difficult time extracting themselves from the feminism because it has so diffused into our culture.
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In many cases they are good only in the church.
Yes, let's talk about family law that would burden a woman with all the children of the marriage union being dissolved with little to no child support that may or may not get paid forcing her into poverty, and having to work a minimum wage job, and go on food stamps while the High Priest of the home is out dating and having the time of his life: no wife, no kids, and no responsibility.
I do agree that men and women do not know their place due to war, and women have to go into the workplace to support their families, and wear pants to be more appropriately and modestly dressed to work in factories and such. And the men lost their control on the family when the woman had to support, discipline, and teach the children.
Furthermore, men have enjoyed letting their wives work so they can have off to go to campmeetings, preach in foreign countries, and let the local church take care of their families.
I was not implying or inferring either. What I got out of it was that you had a brief period during which you were evangelistic about large families. 99.9% of the women I have ever spoken to, no matter their religious affiliation, are rabidly defensive about their birth control. Even if they consider themselves "surrendered to God's will" in every other area of their lives. If you tell them they should have more babies, they are ready to take up arms and stage a one-woman shouting mob "civil rights" protest in the style of the best of the radical women's lib and planned parenthood activists.
So I can imagine an intense moment or two when you attempted to convince a crowd of ladies to consider this, and they attempted to convince you to burn yourself at the stake.
Let's see how many men, in the same position as women, would enjoy spending their young years; pregnant, overweight, bloated, nausiated, exhausted, with gestational diabetes, and have their men tell them how beautiful other women are, as they clean house, wash, clothe, and feed a small army while the husbands wages aren't enough to feed two much less 7-10. Of course, in her spare time she can sew and make all her children's clothing, and go out and kill deer or alligators to make them shoes. "Submission my eye"!
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As a woman that birthed 9 babies I will tell any man that wants a LARGE family, DO IT YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!
AMEN
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You are right. Bro Phelps is showing signs of wisdom, signs of truth, and signs of blessings. Or blessigns.
You have cleverly crafted a new and wondrous and fitting word.
Does your genius know no bounds?
You talking to me?
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incestuous - excessively or improperly intimate or exclusive <mainstream fashion magazines have an incestuous relationship with advertisers
Doesn't necessarily mean breeding within.
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Hah!
And as a woman who's birthed 4 babies, I'd love to have a few more. Any single guys out there want a really big family(hey, I'd be happy to stay at 4 if I must...)? lol
I know for a fact I'm not going to attempt to raise 5 kids by myself, 4 is really more than I can do.
Since more than 50% of first mariages end in divorce and an even higher percentage of 2nd marriages...chances are, Apostolic or not...the woman will be raising them by herself.
Just thought I'd add my $.02 since I have so many avid fans on this particular thread!
Thank you...I think. My honesty gets me in trouble a lot. My boss at work gets a kick out of it. She says I am the only one who, when corrected about anything, says, "Yes, I did it and I'm sorry." Of course I make so few mistakes that it only comes up on rare occasions
Thank you...I think. My honesty gets me in trouble a lot. My boss at work gets a kick out of it. She says I am the only one who, when corrected about anything, says, "Yes, I did it and I'm sorry." Of course I make so few mistakes that it only comes up on rare occasions
I'll take honesty and genuine individual thought processes over parrotting anyday!
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
How UPCI church is seeing quite a few people from outside of Pentecost.
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In a ten year period, the UPC would certainly have a greater percentile of new converts than any of the older mainstream (non-Pentecostal) denominations. In fact many if not most denominations are shrinking in size.
The Assemby of God has grown at 4 times the rate of the UPCI.
In fact the World Almanac in 2008 that list the estimated number of members was not listed for the first time.
I have the last 10 Almanacs and this is the first year.
The Assemby of God has 4 times the number of Churches and many more ministers.
In the 1970's it was thought and preached the UPCI by the year 1995 would be larger than the Assembly of God.
The UPCI from what I see is not growing if anything by 1 or 2 %...
We often think living under the law was the harder thing to do... we forget that when Jesus came he said, not only is it wrong to commit adultery, if you even look on a woman to lust you have already committed it in your heart....
In that same sermon Jesus also raised the bar on divorce and remarriage.
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It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
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But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery
Fact is.. under this new convenent of Grace, Jesus raised the bar.. and so Grace and Truth work together.
In this new testement, the question is no longer, what can I do to the letter and what can I get away with. The question is... what can I do above and beyond what is required to please the one who left all and died for my sins...
I don't deserve happiness in life, I don't deserve peace in life... I don't deserve God's love in my life.. I deserve death and hell.
The humanistic cry of today is "Do what you need to do to be happy"
But.. that's another sermon for another thread.
(Disclaimer: Mrs. LPW has already made it plain in previous threads that she is not anti-divorce in some circumstances, but is very much pro-marriage)
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
"Submission my eye"!
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