Something is Happening of Historic Proportions

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Well, thank goodness Obama is going to change everything for everybody in the USA!!!!!!!!
Maybe he can start with MONEY COMETH!!!!!! Which will of course cure everything!!!!!
The government is not our Daddy!!!!!!

I'm ashamed to admit that I voted for him, both times. The first time I stayed up all night following the shenanigans that went on Florida.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I'm ashamed to admit that I voted for him, both times. The first time I stayed up all night following the shenanigans that went on Florida.

I know the feeling. But we did the best we could with what we knew at the time. It is hard when our leaders disappoint us, but we have to just keep fighting the fight. I remember wondering how anyone could mess up counting votes.

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Again, all you got is histrionics. You never post substance. I post a paragraph and you post "sayings". If you want to be suspicious look at the men with real power above Bush...the men who have more money than the United States government....the men who LOAN the US government the money they spend and you and I pay back through taxes. Good grief lol

Yes....you are right about the men with the real power above Bush.....I never said that Bush planned/did 9-11......I just know it wasn't 17 men with box-cutters that hi-jacked them planes.....you know, the official mainstream media story.
The reason why we haven't sited any of the so-called proof that you demand is because the mainstream media hasn't sited any proof for what there saying concerning 9-11.....you see the burden is always on us(well at least me and HappyTown) to prove the official story wrong , when the burden should be on the mainstream media to furnish proof that what they say is true.

The mainstream media is always presumed to be right!!! The mainstream media posts sayings and histrionics such as, "We are at war with Al Qaueda, we're fighting the war on terror".
And your an intelligent enough person to do a google search on 9-11 being an inside job. Some of this is just common sense. EX: planes when they fly off course aren't just allowed to stay that way without being intercepted(unless there allowed to ON PURPOSE).

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Thank you, Mike - now THIS I can respect and even agree with for the most part.

However, I'm curious as to which personal liberties we've lost under GWB's reign, as someone has indicated on the forum.

I appreciate your detailed explanation, Mike, it's very clear that you are not just ascribing to some conspiracy theories and throwing out uninformed echoes of someone else's misguided ideas.

No, I'm not big on conspiracy theories. I read some of the stuff about the 9/11 conspiracies and that's all talk. Obviously, I don't believe in any way that the government or GWB had anything to do with the terrorist attacks of 9/11. That's silly and thought up by people with entirely too much time on their hands.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

Yes....you are right about the men with the real power above Bush.....I never said that Bush planned/did 9-11......I just know it wasn't 17 men with box-cutters that hi-jacked them planes.....you know, the official mainstream media story.
The reason why we haven't sited any of the so-called proof that you demand is because the mainstream media hasn't sited any proof for what there saying concerning 9-11.....you see the burden is always on us(well at least me and HappyTown) to prove the official story wrong , when the burden should be on the mainstream media to furnish proof that what they say is true.

The mainstream media is always presumed to be right!!! The mainstream media posts sayings and histrionics such as, "We are at war with Ai Qaueda, we're fighting the war on terror".
And your an intelligent enough person to do a google search on 9-11 being an inside job. Some of this is just common sense. EX: planes when they fly off course aren't just allowed to stay that way without being intercepted(unless there allowed to ON PURPOSE).

Baloney. The reason you haven't cited proof of your conspiracy theory is that you have none.

If you did, you wouldn't worry about who is supposed to show theirs first, you'd be producing it to back your claim.

Again, all you have is theory and supposition.

Granted, none of us know the real story, but we are not the ones questioning the official report.

Now, under those circumstances, the challenger must present his or her proof that the official story is incorrect.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Thank you, Mike - now THIS I can respect and even agree with for the most part.

However, I'm curious as to which personal liberties we've lost under GWB's reign, as someone has indicated on the forum.

I appreciate your detailed explanation, Mike, it's very clear that you are not just ascribing to some conspiracy theories and throwing out uninformed echoes of someone else's misguided ideas.

Let me add that some of what turned me off is his unwillingness to take take a stance or a course of action in addressing illegal immigration that most conseravtives think is appropriate. The willingness to sell to the highest bidder...even if the bidder is from Saudi Arabia and the product is the security of our ports.

I don't like the Iraq war in general, but I particularly don't like the decisions made after the war was "won". I don't like the politics that got involved at that point and led to the removing of the tanks, etc so as to not appear like an occupying army. I don't like trying to make our soldiers the friendly police force or ambassadors of goodwill while they are getting picked off by two-bit snipers and homemade bombs because they are riding around in open jeeps without proper armor plating. I don't like mothers having to do fund raisers to give their children and their companions proper body armor, while on the top-end we give multi-billion dollar contracts to Cheny et al.

I don't like us getting off target while Al-Quaeda, the group that perpetuated the greatest attack on the Lower 40 in the history of our country, regroups and thrives in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I don't like pushing through a bail-out package that is improperly constructed or constructed to benefit a few at the expense of the taxpayers.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by tstew

Let me add that some of what turned me off is his unwillingness to take take a stance or a course of action in addressing illegal immigration that most conseravtives think is appropriate. The willingness to sell to the highest bidder...even if the bidder is from Saudi Arabia and the product is the security of our ports.

I don't like the Iraq war in general, but I particularly don't like the decisions made after the war was "won". I don't like the politics that got involved at that point and led to the removing of the tanks, etc so as to not appear like an occupying army. I don't like trying to make our soldiers the friendly police force or ambassadors of goodwill while they are getting picked off by two-bit snipers and homemade bombs because they are riding around in open jeeps without proper armor plating. I don't like mothers having to do fund raisers to give their children and their companions proper body armor, while on the top-end we give multi-billion dollar contracts to Cheny et al.

I don't like us getting off target while Al-Quaeda, the group that perpetuated the greatest attack on the Lower 40 in the history of our country, regroups and thrives in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I don't like pushing through a bail-out package that is improperly constructed or constructed to benefit a few at the expense of the taxpayers.

Amen, TS..........I couldn't agree more.

I'm one of those who felt that invading Iraq was the right thing to do, even after no WMD's were found. My gut feeling is that far worse things could have, and would have happened, in the international political arena without that action. However, I am not in favor of how things are being handled now.

And, I'm with you on the bail out packages.

I come from a GM family, but I'm not happy at all about the shape GM has allowed their business to get into. I think there is a carelessness, if not arrogance, on the behalf of a corporation who will spend like a drunken sailor, all the while thinking "The government will bail us out - they can't afford NOT to!".

I realize that if GM files bankruptcy, over 2.5mm jobs will be affected, not only direct hires, but all ancillary jobs connected. Support businesses will go under, hundreds and thousands of homes will be foreclosed on, it will be a nightmare.

But, I'm still not happy about just handing over billions to CEOs and CFOs who are living like princes.

Just my ramblings on a Sunday afternoon............

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by tstew

Let me add that some of what turned me off is his unwillingness to take take a stance or a course of action in addressing illegal immigration that most conseravtives think is appropriate. The willingness to sell to the highest bidder...even if the bidder is from Saudi Arabia and the product is the security of our ports.

I don't like the Iraq war in general, but I particularly don't like the decisions made after the war was "won". I don't like the politics that got involved at that point and led to the removing of the tanks, etc so as to not appear like an occupying army. I don't like trying to make our soldiers the friendly police force or ambassadors of goodwill while they are getting picked off by two-bit snipers and homemade bombs because they are riding around in open jeeps without proper armor plating. I don't like mothers having to do fund raisers to give their children and their companions proper body armor, while on the top-end we give multi-billion dollar contracts to Cheny et al.

I don't like us getting off target while Al-Quaeda, the group that perpetuated the greatest attack on the Lower 40 in the history of our country, regroups and thrives in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I don't like pushing through a bail-out package that is improperly constructed or constructed to benefit a few at the expense of the taxpayers.

Yeah, tstew, you can add all of that to my list too.

I really hope that somehow competence can be brought back to the Presidency. I'm taking a wait and see approach to Obama. I pray that he'll succeed. American needs him to succeed. The future of the country needs him to succeed.

I hope that one of the first steps is the meeting with Obama and McCain Monday. Before the campaign, I always thought John McCain was a principled man who wasn't afraid to stand up for right no matter the cost. I hope now that the RNC is out of the picture and that goofy campaign team of his, that he can get back to the John McCain of old. I hope that he and Obama can find ways to work together to help give the country the good leadership that's been lacking for the last 5 or 6 years.

By the way, Obama's first right decision would be to tell Detroit to take a hike unless it's willing to totally revamp the American auto industry as we know it. He seems to be supporting a bailout with no strings attached and that'll be his first big mistake if he supports that.

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

All of that and the fact that he has the lowest approval ratings ever recorded sum GWB's presidency up precisely. A good, Christian man, who surrounded himself with the wrong advisors and made poor decisions and had a failed administration.

A good Christian Man???? I suppose you don't know what skull and bones is then.
The point is that is was a failed administration but it was a failure BY DESIGN.....so in that sense it wasn't a failure at all to the new world order agenda. In light of that then the war in Iraq and Afghanistan was a rousing success. In fact I would say that the Bush administration was the most successful administration in the history of the United States of America.
And all of it from 9-11 to the Patriot Act to the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to the Bush/Cheney energy bill of 2005 to the Homeland security act, to the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld(who's easily one of the most wicked men to ever walk the face of the earth), and you have the formula for unbridled new world order success. And now it's time to pass the baton to the democrats and AKA Barack Obama???maybe.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Yeah, tstew, you can add all of that to my list too.

I really hope that somehow competence can be brought back to the Presidency. I'm taking a wait and see approach to Obama. I pray that he'll succeed. American needs him to succeed. The future of the country needs him to succeed.

I hope that one of the first steps is the meeting with Obama and McCain Monday. Before the campaign, I always thought John McCain was a principled man who wasn't afraid to stand up for right no matter the cost. I hope now that the RNC is out of the picture and that goofy campaign team of his, that he can get back to the John McCain of old. I hope that he and Obama can find ways to work together to help give the country the good leadership that's been lacking for the last 5 or 6 years.

By the way, Obama's first right decision would be to tell Detroit to take a hike unless it's willing to totally revamp the American auto industry as we know it. He seems to be supporting a bailout with no strings attached and that'll be his first big mistake if he supports that.

Agreed.

As some have suggested, there needs to be a caveat attached concerning technology and gas mileage goals, among other things.

If Detroit would produce vehicles that would get 50+ MPG by 2012, along with reducing toxic emissions, I'd be all in favor of helping them out.