tstew i love you man, but i dont agree that it is worse there than before, and like i said if the people over there want peace they will have it, we have done that here a couple times, dt
Dt. that region is a powder keg. Most American have no concept of tribalism and sectarian feelings. If you think that Iraq is a nation of one people who are going to rise up together and forget about that whole little Sunni Shiite thing because we come bearing democracy, you are just as misled as some of our policy makers.
We have upset the apple cart and we were banking on national patriotism overriding the centuries of sectarian history. A "new" country like America that was founded as a republic and thinks along those lines will never understand this. What works for us and countries like us, work because it matches well with how our society was structured from the beginning.
This whole concept that we will give them the opportunity to "rise up" and become like us is what is naive. We are dealing with issues that are ten times as old as our nation.
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Dt. that region is a powder keg. Most American have no concept of tribalism and sectarian feelings. If you think that Iraq is a nation of one people who are going to rise up together and forget about that whole little Sunni Shiite thing because we come bearing democracy, you are just as misled as some of our policy makers.
We have upset the apple cart and we were banking on national patriotism overriding the centuries of sectarian history. A "new" country like America that was founded as a republic and thinks along those lines will never understand this. What works for us and countries like us, work because it matches well with how our society was structured from the beginning.
This whole concept that we will give them the opportunity to "rise up" and become like us is what is naive. We are dealing with issues that are ten times as old as our nation.
Dt. that region is a powder keg. Most American have no concept of tribalism and sectarian feelings. If you think that Iraq is a nation of one people who are going to rise up together and forget about that whole little Sunni Shiite thing because we come bearing democracy, you are just as misled as some of our policy makers.
We have upset the apple cart and we were banking on national patriotism overriding the centuries of sectarian history. A "new" country like America that was founded as a republic and thinks along those lines will never understand this. What works for us and countries like us, work because it matches well with how our society was structured from the beginning.
This whole concept that we will give them the opportunity to "rise up" and become like us is what is naive. We are dealing with issues that are ten times as old as our nation.
tstew i dotn want them to be like us my man, and i know about the sectarianism in iraq, i am not talking about the ethnic divides i am talking about the terrorist and foreigners there from iran and other countries that foment the conflict killin all that get in there way for there own political agendas, they are the ones the iraqi people should rise against, dt
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We live in sad times. It's so hard to watch America going down the toilet- heartbreaking. And to see so many people,
especially God's people decieved in these last and evil days
We live in sad times. It's so hard to watch America going done the toilet- heartbreaking. And to see so many people,
especially God's people decieved in these last and evil days
It's ok Mark. We will continue to pray for tstew!!!
tstew i dotn want them to be like us my man, and i know about the sectarianism in iraq, i am not talking about the ethnic divides i am talking about the terrorist and foreigners there from iran and other countries that foment the conflict killin all that get in there way for there own political agendas, they are the ones the iraqi people should rise against, dt
Yes, but due to the teaching of their society and religion, there will always be those who see us as the "terrorist and foreigners there from iran and other countries that foment the conflict killin all that get in there way for there own political agendas".
And you're still saying what the "Iraqi people" should do. Once again a republic centered view of them. The reality is that you have people who are Sunni or Shiite first and Iraqi a very distant second.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Yes, but due to the teaching of their society and religion, there will always be those who see us as the "terrorist and foreigners there from iran and other countries that foment the conflict killin all that get in there way for there own political agendas".
And you're still saying what the "Iraqi people" should do. Once again a republic centered view of them. The reality is that you have people who are Sunni or Shiite first and Iraqi a very distant second.
and dont forget the kurd bro, i see what you mean, but i dont agree, but then again we all cant all the time, dt
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Dt. that region is a powder keg. Most American have no concept of tribalism and sectarian feelings. If you think that Iraq is a nation of one people who are going to rise up together and forget about that whole little Sunni Shiite thing because we come bearing democracy, you are just as misled as some of our policy makers.
We have upset the apple cart and we were banking on national patriotism overriding the centuries of sectarian history. A "new" country like America that was founded as a republic and thinks along those lines will never understand this. What works for us and countries like us, work because it matches well with how our society was structured from the beginning.
This whole concept that we will give them the opportunity to "rise up" and become like us is what is naive. We are dealing with issues that are ten times as old as our nation.
i think we are banking on the ideals of freedom and democracy. NOT nationalism.
I do agree that part of the neo-conserivitive view ie "rise up" thing was off. that doesnt mean we just cut and run. we leave and the whole area destablizes and Iran controls everything.
not a solid option.
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