Should we still observe the sabbath?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I got my shopping and cleaning done.
Ready for the Sabbath!

[good samaritan]

I guess I am working this Saturday. The place I work is Monday through Saturday, I’d just quit but I have a mortgage due and 5 going on 6 kids to care for so I guess I will just keep on.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I guess I am working this Saturday. The place I work is Monday through Saturday, I’d just quit but I have a mortgage due and 5 going on 6 kids to care for so I guess I will just keep on.

I used to have to work 60-70 hours a week, Saturdays included. I had a wife and 7 kids to feed, plus some cats and a couple dogs and for a while my mother, and then my father in law (who was disabled from a stroke). When I became convinced that all Ten Commandments are good and right, I prayed about it. God made a way. I very shortly did not have to work any Saturdays (usually worked Sundays instead or extra time during the week). We also homeschooled all our kids the whole time.

There's a passage that applies to people in this situation:

And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.
(Exo 2:23-25)

Of course, if a person is happy being in Egypt, and resists any call to come out of Egypt, then the person isn't going to cry to God by reason of the bondage they find themselves in. (Remember, sin is bondage, sinners are BOUND in their sin, and yes that includes the Fourth Commandment as much as any other of God's commandments.) If a person doesn't want to be delivered from the bondage of disbedience to God, then they aren't going to cry out to God for deliverance, and God isn't going to have respect unto them and isn't going to make a way out for them.

[good samaritan]

Just a thought, 1st century gentile slaves and servants in gentile nations. Where they excused from keeping the Sabbath or where they to run away or rebel?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Just a thought, 1st century gentile slaves and servants in gentile nations. Where they excused from keeping the Sabbath or where they to run away or rebel?

Very good question, it piques my interest. I too have wondered about the status of slaves. What about Jewish slaves? (Jews enslaved by Romans or others?) How did they deal with Sabbath issues?

But none of that matters when the important questions and issues go unaddressed...

[good samaritan]

Mosaic laws where explicitly for the physical land and people of Israel. Those laws where fulfilled in Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ was to reconcile the whole world to God, not Judaism. There are principles found in those laws that are beneficial (the legal structure was righteous), but I am not a citizen of that system. If we have the righteousness of God in our hearts (laws of God), there is no outward law necessary. I am a citizen of the New Jerusalem.

Is there any NT scripture where anyone is commanded to keep a Sabbath day? There maybe examples of Jews still observing a Sabbath because of the keeping of their traditions, but there is no institution of it in the NT.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Mosaic laws where explicitly for the physical land and people of Israel. Those laws where fulfilled in Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ was to reconcile the whole world to God, not Judaism. There are principles found in those laws that are beneficial (the legal structure was righteous), but I am not a citizen of that system. If we have the righteousness of God in our hearts (laws of God), there is no outward law necessary. I am a citizen of the New Jerusalem.

Is there any NT scripture where anyone is commanded to keep a Sabbath day? There maybe examples of Jews still observing a Sabbath because of the keeping of their traditions, but there is no institution of it in the NT.

There you go again with that "argumentum ad nauseum", just repeating your assertions without even attempting to prove them. Weird.

"Is there any NT scripture where anyone is commanded to abstain from bestiality or cross dressing?"

yada yada yada etc etc

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There you go again with that "argumentum ad nauseum", just repeating your assertions without even attempting to prove them. Weird.

"Is there any NT scripture where anyone is commanded to abstain from bestiality or cross dressing?"

yada yada yada etc etc

Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

porneia

Pronunciation:
por-ni'-ah

Part of Speech:
Noun Feminine

Root Word (Etymology):
From πορνεύω G4203

Thayer Lexicon:
1. illicit sexual intercourse
a. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman;

Beastiality is covered by NT scripture. Do you believe someone can be filled with the Holy Ghost and have intercourse with animals?

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

If this doesn’t cover everything LGBTQ, there won’t be anything in Deuteronomy that is going to convince them. The Holy Ghost brings about conviction from sin and brings new light upon the things people once did while in darkness.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There you go again with that "argumentum ad nauseum", just repeating your assertions without even attempting to prove them. Weird.

"Is there any NT scripture where anyone is commanded to abstain from bestiality or cross dressing?"

yada yada yada etc etc

There you go again quoting Old Testament when there has been many New Testament scripture that has been related that speaks that keeping of the Law of Moses and the literal ten commandments is not for those of the nations of the world.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

There you go again quoting Old Testament when there has been many New Testament scripture that has been related that speaks that keeping of the Law of Moses and the literal ten commandments is not for those of the nations of the world.

Wrong.

Romans 2:5-16 KJV
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; [6] Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [7] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: [8] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God. [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.