Right, they are all errors related to copying or transcribing of men.
This raises a good point.
If we believe there are man-made errors in the KJV, how do we know which scriptures are in error and which ones aren't?
Kind of makes Joelel's statement about the Holy Ghost revealing to him which scriptures are in error and which ones aren't a bit more conceivable.
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If we believe there are man-made errors in the KJV, how do we know which scriptures are in error and which ones aren't?
Kind of makes Joelel's statement about the Holy Ghost revealing to him which scriptures are in error and which ones aren't a bit more conceivable.
Study the Hebrew.
I'd much rather trust the original language than goosebumps...
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I'd much rather trust the original language than goosebumps...
Well, we have a GREAT divide on this forum, and in Apostolica over one word - "uncut".
How do we know that's the correct word?
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I believe that the original manuscripts are inerrant. All translations, including the King James, have their errors.
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Right, they are all errors related to copying or transcribing of men.
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Study the Hebrew.
I'd much rather trust the original language than goosebumps...
We don't have the original Hebrew texts, either, and the copies we have have errors, too. Same goes for the Greek NT.
And the claim that all the errors we have in today's copies of the Bible (regardless of the language) came from human error in copying, translating, etc. has major problems:
1. It disproves the scriptures that claim God will preserve His word. (Maybe those are some of the errors we are talking about!)
2. It leaves us with no basis for knowing what God's word really is. Scholarship has done an impressive job, but there are still gaps and discrepancies.
3. I seriously doubt that this alone can explain all the errors and contradictions. Unless we are to accept that some of the errors we are talking about are actually mistakes in the canonization itself. Maybe the original manuscript of Exodus isn't inspired after all, or Numbers, or James, or Genesis.
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I believe that the original manuscripts are inerrant. All translations, including the King James, have their errors.
I wouldn't call them errors, just misinterpretations.
I can see amost every poster filtering this post through their own doctrinal lenses. That's exactly what the translators did. Everybody is drawn toward the version which most closely agrees with their doctrinal position, therefore no possibility for change of mind (repentance).
Jesus most often quoted from the Septuigent Version, but that's only OT.
The only really important doctrine is to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Believe that Jesus' death and shed blood washed away our sins; believe that Jesus' bruises and broken body bore away our sicknesses; and believe that though Jesus' poverty we have enough provision for ourselves and some left over to give to others. Everything else is unimportant.
Believing the Gospel of Jesus always results in water baptism in Jesus' name and Holy Spirit baptism. Believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ will always produce everything that is necessary in the Believer's life. So it's not really that important which version you use.
I do call them errors...but I understand that it's easy to misread a Hebrew word. I also understand that it's errors in understanding...the translators of the KJV Bible spoke KJV English. English has changed over the last 400 years. If we read it through as if it's written in modern English, we're going to misunderstand and misapply some things that were perfectly clear to the readers then, and not so much to us now.
And you're right..translating is extremely difficult to do without bias.
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I wouldn't call them errors, just misinterpretations.
I can see amost every poster filtering this post through their own doctrinal lenses. That's exactly what the translators did. Everybody is drawn toward the version which most closely agrees with their doctrinal position, therefore no possibility for change of mind (repentance).
Jesus most often quoted from the Septuigent Version, but that's only OT.
The only really important doctrine is to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Believe that Jesus' death and shed blood washed away our sins; believe that Jesus' bruises and broken body bore away our sicknesses; and believe that though Jesus' poverty we have enough provision for ourselves and some left over to give to others. Everything else is unimportant.
Believing the Gospel of Jesus always results in water baptism in Jesus' name and Holy Spirit baptism. Believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ will always produce everything that is necessary in the Believer's life. So it's not really that important which version you use.
It's all about the cross, nothing else.
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The only really important doctrine is to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Believe that Jesus' death and shed blood washed away our sins; believe that Jesus' bruises and broken body bore away our sicknesses; and believe that though Jesus' poverty we have enough provision for ourselves and some left over to give to others. Everything else is unimportant.
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Well, for an unimportant doctrine, the doctrine of healing has sure caused a ruckus! (And a lot of depression and disillusionment, since it rarely works as the possibly flawed scriptures say it will.)
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The whole doctrine of Biblical inerrancy and infallibility is actually more nuanced than most people think, and there is a wide room for interpretation. It isn't as if one is forced to view the Bible as either the absolute verbally inspired Word of God as if He's directly speaking to us in person, or to be only the work of man with no inspiration from God at all. There's actually a huge grey area.
There may be errors in translation, which is why we are instructed to "study, to show yourself approved".
As Bro. Scott has stated, I also believe in the inerrant, infallible Word of God.
If I begin questioning, where do I stop?
Where does it say it's inerrant, infallible?
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God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
(And a lot of depression and disillusionment, since it rarely works as the possibly flawed scriptures say it will.)
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