Where Are the Dead?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

They are allowed to teach soul sleep. They cannot be part of the group tho if they teach the Biblical doctrine of the death of the wicked soul ****annihilation.

I know one who knows it but values his fellowship with them to much IMO to teach it openly.

MIcheal there were men in the UPC that taught annihilation of the wicked S. G. Norris was one of them and the name slips me but a leader from Eastern Canada. On the application it asked both.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

MIcheal there were men in the UPC that taught annihilation of the wicked S. G. Norris was one of them and the name slips me but a leader from Eastern Canada. On the application it asked both.

Bro. Epley,
If I may ask, where do you stand on the teaching of the annihilation of the lost at time of death or anytime thereafter.
I teach that a soul is going to live on thoughout enternity somewhere, heaven or hell, after judgement, but not annihilated.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Bro. Epley,
If I may ask, where do you stand on the teaching of the annihilation of the lost at time of death or anytime thereafter.
I teach that a soul is going to live on thoughout enternity somewhere, heaven or hell, after judgement, but not annihilated.

I do NOT believe in the doctrine of annihilation of the wicked they will eternally die in the lake of fire where their torment will never cease.
I do not believe the dead are conscious after death. The souls of the righteous go into the presenceof God to rest and the wicked are dead unconscious until the resurrection.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe in the doctrine of annihilation of the wicked they will eternally die in the lake of fire where their torment will never cease.
I do not believe the dead are conscious after death. The souls of the righteous go into the presenceof God to rest and the wicked are dead unconscious until the resurrection.

I agree with you Bro. Epley.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

I agree with you Bro. Epley.

Call the Law.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

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Why would God send anyone to heaven or hell at time of death only to be called back to be judged during the white throne judgement? There would be no need for it.

Bro. Norris taught that hell/hades is like jail, the white throne judgment is like court or a trial, and the lake of fire is like prison or the penitentiary. The wicked are held in hades/hell until the second resurrection. When their bodies are reunited with their inner person (soul and spirit) they are judged for the deeds done in the body.

The term hell is some times used for hades and some times used for the lake of fire.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe in the doctrine of annihilation of the wicked they will eternally die in the lake of fire where their torment will never cease.
I do not believe the dead are conscious after death. The souls of the righteous go into the presenceof God to rest and the wicked are dead unconscious until the resurrection.

I agree also. Thank you.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Sam

Bro. Norris taught that hell/hades is like jail, the white throne judgment is like court or a trial, and the lake of fire is like prison or the penitentiary. The wicked are held in hades/hell until the second resurrection. When their bodies are reunited with their inner person (soul and spirit) they are judged for the deeds done in the body.

The term hell is some times used for hades and some times used for the lake of fire.

Bro. Sam,
I have heard this before.
I agree with Bro Epley.
If a person was held in hades/hell after they died why the day of judgement.
I think I'm saying it correct.
My point is I have a hard time beleiving that during the period of grace we live that anyone has been sent on to heaven or hell at their time of death.
Example, my grandfather dies, his spirit goes to God and he rest until judgement. He is not sent to heaven or hell or hades until then.
I have heard many preach and teach different.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Bro. Sam,
I have heard this before.
I agree with Bro Epley.
If a person was held in hades/hell after they died why the day of judgement.
I think I'm saying it correct.
My point is I have a hard time beleiving that during the period of grace we live that anyone has been sent on to heaven or hell at their time of death.
Example, my grandfather dies, his spirit goes to God and he rest until judgement. He is not sent to heaven or hell or hades until then.
I have heard many preach and teach different.

This is just one (of several) things that all do not completely agree upon.
We all have come to some conclusion based on what we have heard taught and what we've seen for ourselves. The main thing is to respect one another.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Antipas

I believe that the saints under the New Covenant immediately pass into the presence of the Lord upon death. The unrighteous dead are immediately confined in Hell. When all are resurrected from the dead all men will then stand before God and receive their final judgment. The saints pass into a blessed eternity with their reward, the unrighteous are cast into the Lake of Fire.

That's my personal belief.

Hmmm.... two judgments?