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01-22-2009, 09:06 AM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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Christ's cry was a human cry of not knowing. God requires us, even Christ as Son, to not know everything and go on by faith.
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So do you believe Jesus was not omniscient?
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01-22-2009, 10:28 AM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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So do you believe Jesus was not omniscient?
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"JESUS" refers to the single person of God. SON is a manifestation of that person aside from the other manifestations of Father and Holy Ghost of the same Person.
So, JESUS is omniscient.
However, the SONSHIP involved lack of omniscience, as per His humanity but not the deity
Mark 13:32 KJV But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Would you agree this verse indicates my claim? How do you explain this verse in lieu of your question?
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01-21-2009, 04:46 PM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
There are some PAW folks who believe unless God literally and actually separated from the Son of God, then Jesus would not have physically died.
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01-21-2009, 04:50 PM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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There are some PAW folks who believe unless God literally and actually separated from the Son of God, then Jesus would not have physically died.
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What do people think happens when we die?
God is still with us.
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01-22-2009, 10:31 AM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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What do people think happens when we die?
God is still with us.
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But Jesus was God manifest in flesh moreso than manifested in us.
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01-22-2009, 10:56 AM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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But Jesus was God manifest in flesh moreso than manifested in us.
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Could it not be that at any point in any human life, that God could choose to manifest himself in us in much the same way he manifested Himself in the man Jesus? God could use us to perform the kinds of miracles that were performed by Jesus... Peter, being a man, walked on water... in Acts, the those who fell under the apostle's shadows were healed... etc. God can still manifest himself in flesh in the Church, in any way and to any degree He so pleases...
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01-22-2009, 11:26 AM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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Originally Posted by BobDylan
Could it not be that at any point in any human life, that God could choose to manifest himself in us in much the same way he manifested Himself in the man Jesus? God could use us to perform the kinds of miracles that were performed by Jesus... Peter, being a man, walked on water... in Acts, the those who fell under the apostle's shadows were healed... etc. God can still manifest himself in flesh in the Church, in any way and to any degree He so pleases...
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Yes. But I was referring to the fact that Jesus was God incarnate. That is, there was no man named Jesus who did not have God manifest in Him previous to the manifestation of God. We are born into this world naturally and without God's Spirit in us. Jesus was not. Furthermore, Jesus existed as God from eternity past before He manifested in flesh, and that man was the one and the same person as God. We are not the person of God. We are separate persons who have God's person in us. This was not the case with Jesus. In that sense, He was God manifested in Him moreso than in us, although we can do the works He did by God's manifestation, and He even said GREATER WORKS shall we do!
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01-21-2009, 07:12 PM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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Originally Posted by Theophil
Mark 15:34 (KJV)
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
I would be interested in opinions as to what extent Jesus was forsaken by God at His crucifixion.
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He wasn't forsaken. God does not forsake the righteous. He was empathizing with David whom Jesus was quoting. He FELT forsaken just as David felt forsaken
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-21-2009, 07:25 PM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
He wasn't forsaken. God does not forsake the righteous. He was empathizing with David whom Jesus was quoting. He FELT forsaken just as David felt forsaken
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Yet, wouldn't you say that there was an element of "forsakenness" when He "became sin for us..."? I think that's at least part of what Theophil is getting at.
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01-21-2009, 08:40 PM
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Re: Jesus forsaken?
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Originally Posted by pelathais
Yet, wouldn't you say that there was an element of "forsakenness" when He "became sin for us..."? I think that's at least part of what Theophil is getting at.
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Call me a heretic but I think that means "he became a sin offering for us"
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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