A "Forward" Glimpse Into The Future?

Originally Posted by CC1

In my opinion that statement is there for several reasons. First it is factually accurate. Second, and most important, this is a pretty blunt warning that they are going to leave if it passes. I am sure this is intended to once again draw the moderates to their side in the vote under the banner of maintaining unity.

I noticed they did not say alternatives "could" sufrace but rather that alternatives "would" surface. Again I belive this is an intentional message.

Exactly. It is inevitable.

The UCs in the fellowship will never maintain perpetual fellowship with an organzation that allows such liberties among their churches and ministers. On the other hand, the "progressives" will never maintain fellowship within an organization that continually repress the vision of those who seek further venues of ministry that television allows for.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Exactly. It is inevitable.

The UCs in the fellowship will never maintain perpetual fellowship with an organzation that allows such liberties among their churches and ministers. On the other hand, the "progressives" will never maintain fellowship within an organization that continually repress the vision of those who seek further venues of ministry that television allows for.

Exactly! That is why I think if this resolution fails or is postponed again it is only postponing the inevitable.

Ultra cons have many more things besides the TV issue they are unhappy about so their slow march toward starting a new organization proceeds.

While I beleive the AMC organizers when they say their intent was not to form such an org. the fact of the matter is that it has united ultra cons of every stripe (AMF, UPC, ALJC, GIB) in a way they never did before and those new relationships, I believe, have led to a new org. being more viable.

On the liberal side preachers and churches will just keep trickling away as a church becomes large enough to be self sufficient and a pastor feels that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks in leaving. For these men the control issue of restraining them from a technology that can help fulfill the great commission will be a deciding factor in some cases.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

Exactly! That is why I think if this resolution fails or is postponed again it is only postponing the inevitable.

Ultra cons have many more things besides the TV issue they are unhappy about so their slow march toward starting a new organization proceeds.

While I beleive the AMC organizers when they say their intent was not to form such an org. the fact of the matter is that it has united ultra cons of every stripe (AMF, UPC, ALJC, GIB) in a way they never did before and those new relationships, I believe, have led to a new org. being more viable.

On the liberal side preachers and churches will just keep trickling away as a church becomes large enough to be self sufficient and a pastor feels that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks in leaving. For these men the control issue of restraining them from a technology that can help fulfill the great commission will be a deciding factor in some cases.

CCI the analysis is correct to an extent the AMC, the IAM Foundation for missions and now the Apostolic Compass are unitng conservatives in a way such as never before. But a new organization?????????? I seriously doubt that most have had organization up to their ears. There is no interest in it unless it would be a very few. Maybe we are returning to more of an Apostolic pattern as in the NT and leaving the trappings of organizational lives behind.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

CCI the analysis is correct to an extent the AMC, the IAM Foundation for missions and now the Apostolic Compass are unitng conservatives in a way such as never before. But a new organization?????????? I seriously doubt that most have had organization up to their ears. There is no interest in it unless it would be a very few. Maybe we are returning to more of an Apostolic pattern as in the NT and leaving the trappings of organizational lives behind.

I tend to agree.

I think that there is a dawning of enlightment among men of like minds that fellowship is more than an organization, denomination or a card but rather a communion of like minds and spirits whose LOYALTIES are not found on some STUPID annual coerced pledge but rather in common love of truth and godliness.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

CCI the analysis is correct to an extent the AMC, the IAM Foundation for missions and now the Apostolic Compass are unitng conservatives in a way such as never before. But a new organization?????????? I seriously doubt that most have had organization up to their ears. There is no interest in it unless it would be a very few. Maybe we are returning to more of an Apostolic pattern as in the NT and leaving the trappings of organizational lives behind.

I was not thinking of an org. in the sense the UPC is but I can see something along the lines of the AMF.

Perhaps a ministerial org. that could license and ordain like minded ministers and have some sort of minimum ultra con standards codified everyone would agree to.

The org could also provide legal standing as a non profit, etc and group benefits.

I think there are a lot of ultra cons who don't neccessarily share the AMF folks disdain for structure and some centralized organization. I am talking about the folks whose only gripe with the UPC is it becoming more "liberal", not one of how it is organized.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is a paragraph lifted from the special edition released two weeks ago. It was in the middle of the article titled "What effect will television ministry have on the Apostolic church"? It was presented by the tv resolution opponents.Is this code for "hang on guys, we have an alternative in the oven"?

"Failure of such a resolution would divide our fellowship. While some opponents may feel that failure would have a positive effect, we must accept the fact that division would be inevitable. There might not be a mass exodus at first, but eventually alternatives would surface which would attract a substantial number of UPCI ministers."


I took license to change a couple of words in the quote, and it still is just as true, IMO, what about you?

btw what happened to your hair??

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"Failure of such a resolution would divide our fellowship. While some opponents may feel that failure would have a positive effect, we must accept the fact that division would be inevitable. There might not be a mass exodus at first, but eventually alternatives would surface which would attract a substantial number of UPCI ministers."


I took license to change a couple of words in the quote, and it still is just as true, IMO, what about you?

btw what happened to your hair??

It de parted.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It de parted.

Old fishermen never die they just de part.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is a paragraph lifted from the special edition released two weeks ago. It was in the middle of the article titled "What effect will television ministry have on the Apostolic church"? It was presented by the tv resolution opponents.

"Adoption of such a resolution would divide our fellowship. While some proponents may feel adoption would have a positive effect, we must accept the fact that division would be inevitable. There might not be a mass exodus at first, but eventually alternatives would surface which would attract a substantial number of UPCI ministers."


Is this code for "hang on guys, we have an alternative in the oven"?

If this is true, then NOT adopting such a resolution would also divide our fellowship. Some have already left because they don't want to be limited in how they can reach the lost

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If this is true, then NOT adopting such a resolution would also divide our fellowship. Some have already left because they don't want to be limited in how they can reach the lost

I believe this is a fact also. One that is being overlooked....or should we say one that is not being used for ammunition.