Mr. Brown's War and the income tax rebellion

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Theophilus

I told my wife that if the authorities come to your door with guns and say pay your taxes or else...a law exists called the law of the gun. Cheap price to avoid the alterative.

The Browns are citing God. I suppose that they are some sort of Christian.

I thought about writing the Browns and showing them what Jesus taught about paying taxes...maybe they would concede...you think?

Yup. "Render unto Caesar...."

Originally Posted by CC1

Yup. "Render unto Caesar...."

Exactly. I believe that Jesus would tell them to pay the tax.

"But it ain't fair!"

I think Jesus would tell them to get used to that.

[Steve Epley]

There was a large Baptist church at Indianapolis that would not take out taxes they had a royal battle finally the IRS siezed the building. I thought at the last minute someone would give but nope they carried the pastor out on stretcher. Took their property.

[ChTatum]

Contact your congressman and get him on board to vote for the Fair Tax.
Congressman John Linder of Georgia is the main sponsor.

Romans 13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

[Sister Alvear]

better all move to the depth of the jungle in Brazil. My son needs helpers...

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

better all move to the depth of the jungle in Brazil. My son needs helpers...

After 3 months Brazil will kick everyone to the curb.. LoL

I think some of the posters on this thread are missing the point completely. Mr and Mrs Brown are not saying it is not fair to pay taxes. They are not "anti tax". They have no problem paying a tax (as evidenced by the fact they have never complained about paying any lawful tax.)

But that is the key to the whole issue here - is the "income tax" they are accused of not paying an actual, lawful tax?

Mr and Mrs Brown have simply asked to be shown the law which makes them liable for the Title 26 "income tax". Nobody, of course, has done so, and therefore they went to court over it.

Now, the issue has escalated beyond the legality of the income tax and the IRS' "collection efforts" to the issue of the lawfulness of the court proceedings which found him guilty in absentia.

The issue is not, and never has been, whether paying taxes is right or wrong, or fair or not. The issue is and always has been whether the "tax" demanded by the IRS is in fact lawful, and whether or not a court can deprive a citizen of due process protections (such as being able to present evidence and call witnesses, which were denied to the Brown's in their abortive court episode.)

[Digging4Truth]

I am not the man that Ed Brown is and I am not making this stand but so many of these posts completely miss the point.

Render unto Ceaser... yep... but it's not Ceasers.

There is no law.

All Ed Brown has asked is "show me the law". He has told them in no uncertain terms that if they can show him the law where he owes this tax he will pay it in full.

He pays local taxes, he pays state taxes... he pays all taxes where the law can be demonstrated that he owes the tax.

So we can all sit here and say he is crazy but it all boils down to the fact that the rest of us would rather pay the ransom than demand we be free from unlawful taxation.

There is no law and they cannot show it to him. But that won't stop them from killing him in his own home and taking his property for themselves.

[LUKE2447]

exactly... People that start throwing the scripture RENDER UNTO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S yada yada... Have no clue what they are talking about. the ISSUE is not about paying LAWFUL taxes. The current Income Tax is being misapplied and the governement knows it. You as a individual are not liabel for a income tax unless you make a "profit" which is better known as a profits tax. Labor is an exchange of money for services thus not a profit. Whether the 16th ammendment was ratified or not matters little. The Supreme Court when giving it's ruling on the 16th said it gave congress NO KNEW TAXING POWERS! People did not stop nor did the goverment stop going after the taxes. That is the reason for the differences in the IRC in the 50's and now when it comestothe definition of Income. As the Supreme court rendered as corporate profit or profits tax. The IRS Revenue agents has such little power itpathetic yet the break the laws ALL the time. Seizing property without a court order while having nor power by law to do so. As the laws they cite are not for INCOME TAXES but other taxes. When shown to them they ignore it and don't care.

I have fought the IRS for years and TRUST ME THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW! I know many Senators and Congressman and they know the issue at hand but know there is little they can do. Watch the movie on Google or Youtube "Freedom from Facism". Also watch many other Tax ISSUE movies. The thing is both parties are pathetic and don't deal with the real issues.