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Old 10-27-2019, 05:15 PM
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Would like to know what others believe as far as Jesus’ body? Is it the same flesh yet glorified in the heavens? Did he go back to the spirit form he was before robing himself in flesh?
Great question Nic.

Yes in the Spiritual dimension Jesus is God Almight, He is the Father which is just the Eternal Spirit.

As Father he has no body because God is a Spirit and has no form. Jesus as God has no need for a body as He fills the universe. He is the Father.

That physical body ceased to exist as it fulfilled it's purpose the redeemer.

Jesus the Christ standing on the right hand of Jesus the Father (Who has no body) then coming back on the day of Pentecost as Jesus the Holy Ghost, but going to come back again as Jesus the Son to hand the kingdom back to Jesus the Father?
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Great question Nic.

Yes in the Spiritual dimension Jesus is God Almight, He is the Father which is just the Eternal Spirit.

As Father he has no body because God is a Spirit and has no form. Jesus as God has no need for a body as He fills the universe. He is the Father.

That physical body ceased to exist as it fulfilled it's purpose the redeemer.

Jesus the Christ standing on the right hand of Jesus the Father (Who has no body) then coming back on the day of Pentecost as Jesus the Holy Ghost, but going to come back again as Jesus the Son to hand the kingdom back to Jesus the Father?
Why did He resurrect at all, then? In fact, why did he show them his hands and feet and then proceed to eat honeycomb to prove he physically resurrected? Why waste the time and effort?

Was it just to show he could do it, with no more purpose than that?

The MAN still exists as MAN, while deity at the same time.

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

THE MAN is not the Father aspect of God. It is HUMAN MANIFESTATION.

There IS, not WAS, one mediator between God and MEN, THE MAN Christ Jesus.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The MAN is not God. God is not a man. God manifested in flesh, the man Christ Jesus.

Adam was a MAN who was given dominion and Jesus is the LAST ADAM as MAN is ruling now. God always ruled, and there is not a point to imagine that Jesus would do all this conquest of death and then abandon his humanity and no longer be LAST ADAM and rule as God always ruled. But to RULE AS MAN is a true return of humanity to the place from which Adam fell.

GOD is contrasted from MAN in 1 Tim2:5. The MAN was told to SIT DOWN at the right hand. The FATHER is the LORD in Psalm 110:1, and David's Lord was THE SON, NOT THE FATHER. The FATHER was not told by the FATHER to sit down and rule, while the SECOND FATHER would bring down the FIRST FATHER'S enemies.

Nobody tells Deity to sit down, as we read the LORD told David's Lord to SIT DOWN and rule.

Jesus quoted Psalm 110:1 where the LORD told David's Lord to sit down. And Jesus' words about this prove the MAN is who sat down, NOT GOD.


Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mar 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Jesus agreed the Messiah in Psalm110:1 is SON OF DAVID. And the mystery is that he was David's Lord at the same time. The SON OF GOD is David's Son, not the Father. Jesus is both Son and Father. But the Sonship is not the Fatherhood.

And if you claim that the same Jesus who is SON is FATHER, which is true, and therefore whatever the Son did is what the Father did, WHICH IS NOT TRUE, then you have a problem. The FATHER did not die as the Son did. And Mary was not the mother of GOD like the Catholics claim.

So, your entire reasoning is unbiblical and faulty because we read the MAN sat down, SON OF DAVID, which involves HUMANITY. David fathered humanity, not deity, and The Father is not the son of David, when the son of David sat down to rule.

The redeemer's purpose is not over. There is intercession as high priest, Priesthood never started until the Ascension into heaven and God is not priest. The MAN is the mediator or priest. Sonship and priesthood end when all enemies are put beneath the feet of the Son.

Paul explained Psalm 110:1 and said the FATHER puts the enemies beneath the SON, showing us that the SON, not the Father, was told to sit and rule.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Paul said that the LORD who told David's Lord to sit down was the FATHER. And we know that Jesus is ruling according to verse 25. HE in verse 25 is the SON. Not the Father. The son rules until the Father puts all enemies beneath his feet. The Son is then made subject to the Father after all enemies are under his feet, according to verse 28. And then and bot before is GOD ALL IN ALL. You are trying to reverse the scripture and say that GOD IS ALL IN ALL now, with no Sonship purpose since the Ascension, when the reality is that does not happen until our future.

So, if the SON is ruling now until all enemies are under his feet, and the FATHER is the one who told the Son to sit and is the one putting the enemies beneath the Son's feet, then you cannot twist that and say the Father told the Father to sit and rule until the the Father puts all enemies beneath the Father's feet. That is two Fathers. That is totally inept and in error according to what Paul taught in 1 Cor 15 about Psalm 110.

So, that's a better response than your NOT, and I'd like to see you harmonize what Paul said about FATHER AND SON in 1 Cor 15 as he explained Psalm 110.

And if your answer to my request for you to explain this is NOT, then I am sure the reader can come up with their own determination about what is correct quite easily.

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Why did He resurrect at all, then? In fact, why did he show them his hands and feet and then proceed to eat honeycomb to prove he physically resurrected? Why waste the time and effort?



Let me answer this paragraph first Mike.

His physical life was to show the spiritual dimension!

Why did He die? to show the need for repentence!

Why was He buried? to show the need for baptism!

Why did He resurrect? To show the need for NEW LIFE!

This really isn't that hard Mike, we don't need a college thesis on this matter!

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
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Scripture, please.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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Is that the one you were wanting D?
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Can you believe that Benincasa asked me if I was Nicodemus?

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Can you believe that Benincasa asked me if I was Nicodemus?

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