Can Rebellion Ever Be Justified?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

So it's only rebellion if it involves armed conflict?

No it isn't.
That is a good point.

Shouldn't the colonies have allowed God to set them free?
After all, if the USA was ordained of God, couldn't God have defeated the British through some other means?

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Ron

No it isn't.
That is a good point.

Shouldn't the colonies have allowed God to set them free?
After all, if the USA was ordained of God, couldn't God have defeated the British through some other means?

have to tell you bro, i believe god built this country but we are fading from out roots, god help us, dt

[bishoph]

I believe your original question dealt with the death penalty under the NT dispensation of grace. In this scripture; 1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, The Apostle Paul indicates that the law is for the lawless. IMHO those that commit crimes punishable by death are under the law and therefore are candidates for any punishment rendered under the law.

[Sam]

This is a difficult question.
Yes, we are to obey the government which is in place
but
some times there may be a higher law
some times laws are unjust
etc.

The Apostles disobeyed the rules set down by the religious leaders of their day. That verse was previously quoted about obeying God rather than man.

In Holland, Christians hid Jews in defiance to the law by the government. Christians lied and practiced deception in getting forged documents and ration cards to feed Jews that they were hiding. How can we justify lying? Yet they were doing it for a greater good.

Yes, a group of rebels set up a new government in defiance to the established government of the Crown. Were they right or wrong? There are differences of opinion on that. They believed they were doing the right thing and asked God's blessing on it. Today looking back we are glad they did what they did.

What about unjust and unScriptural laws, requirements, and "standards" preached by a pastor. We are supposed to submit to our pastor but at times "we ought to obey God rather than man."

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Sam

This is a difficult question.
Yes, we are to obey the government which is in place
but
some times there may be a higher law
some times laws are unjust
etc.

The Apostles disobeyed the rules set down by the religious leaders of their day. That verse was previously quoted about obeying God rather than man.

In Holland, Christians hid Jews in defiance to the law by the government. Christians lied and practiced deception in getting forged documents and ration cards to feed Jews that they were hiding. How can we justify lying? Yet they were doing it for a greater good.

Yes, a group of rebels set up a new government in defiance to the established government of the Crown. Were they right or wrong? There are differences of opinion on that. They believed they were doing the right thing and asked God's blessing on it. Today looking back we are glad they did what they did.

What about unjust and unScriptural laws, requirements, and "standards" preached by a pastor. We are supposed to submit to our pastor but at times "we ought to obey God rather than man."

Sam, that is a good point.

Again, I am not a Monarchist, and I think King George was mad.
There is some evidence that he had syphilis & was a little off the deep end.

It is an interesting question though in that can "Rebellion" ever be justified &
in what circumstances.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sam, that is a good point.

Again, I am not a Monarchist, and I think King George was mad.
There is some evidence that he had syphilis & was a little off the deep end.

It is an interesting question though in that can "Rebellion" ever be justified &
in what circumstances.

The founding fathers of the U.S. actually thought that there had been something of an "eschatological revolution" and that a "New World Order" existed. Look at the back of your dollar bill. The primary intellectual behind this way of thinking was none other than Sir Isaac Newton.

A few years ago a large trunk filled with unpublished and heretofore unknown writings of Sir Isaac was found. Many scholars were excited because they thought that they had found a treasure trove of scientific discovery from one of the greatest, if not the greatest scientific mind in human history.

Instead what they found was a huge cache of writings on the Books of Daniel and Revelation. It was Newton's theological studies for the the "end" of the "Great Chain of Being" and the foundation of the "New World."

The way the founding fathers looked at it, they weren't really "rebelling." They we simply following what "God" had started with the scientific revolution and adjusting the political world to better fit the new vision of the way things should be in Nature. It was all steeped in Deist philosophy, of course.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The founding fathers of the U.S. actually thought that there had been something of an "eschatological revolution" and that a "New World Order" existed. Look at the back of your dollar bill. The primary intellectual behind this way of thinking was none other than Sir Isaac Newton.

A few years ago a large trunk filled with unpublished and heretofore unknown writings of Sir Isaac was found. Many scholars were excited because they thought that they had found a treasure trove of scientific discovery from one of the greatest, if not the greatest scientific mind in human history.

Instead what they found was a huge cache of writings on the Books of Daniel and Revelation. It was Newton's theological studies for the the "end" of the "Great Chain of Being" and the foundation of the "New World."

The way the founding fathers looked at it, they weren't really "rebelling." They we simply following what "God" had started with the scientific revolution and adjusting the political world to better fit the new vision of the way things should be in Nature. It was all steeped in Deist philosophy, of course.

We got a dollar Coin & on the back is HM QE 2!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

We got a dollar Coin & on the back is HM QE 2!

Whoa... my bad. I forgot that you're one of those folks who knew better than to engage in that particular rebellion. LOL!

Oh, and congrats! That dollar is now worth the same as my dollar!

[mizpeh]

An example of divinely-appointed rebellion:


2 Chron 10:15-19 So the king hearkened not unto the people: for the cause was of God, that the LORD might perform his word, which he spake by the hand of Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat. And when all Israel saw that the king would not hearken unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? and we have none inheritance in the son of Jesse: every man to your tents, O Israel: and now, David, see to thine own house. So all Israel went to their tents. But as for the children of Israel that dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them. Then king Rehoboam sent Hadoram that was over the tribute; and the children of Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. But king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem. And Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day

1 Kings 11:26-40 The reason for the rebellion

[Ron]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Whoa... my bad. I forgot that you're one of those folks who knew better than to engage in that particular rebellion. LOL!

Oh, and congrats! That dollar is now worth the same as my dollar!

I would rather have a dollar bill instead of a coin myself.
I think the monarchy thing is ready to go by the wayside myself.