FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[ChristopherHall]

Even Wright’s comments about Japan are being misconstrued.

Let’s try to understand his point before jumping to railing conclusions. America killed masses and masses of innocent people by dropping the bomb. Yes, a ground invasion would have cost us more military lives on both sides…but it would have afforded the civilian population an opportunity to flee. Right or wrong…we sacrificed the lives of masses and masses of innocent people to win the War.

The moral implications are disturbing. If American can drop nuclear weapons and kill masses of human beings to bring her enemy to their knees…does this not afford justification to Islamic fundamentalists who feel they have to do the same thing to their perceived enemy (us)?

There is a cycle to violence, war, and bloodshed and it perpetuates until someone is big enough to end that cycle. Right or wrong when we bombed Japan killing masses of civilians and innocent children…did we not communicate that such is an acceptable means of achieving victory in armed conflict?

I can see what Wright was saying though I don’t believe there was another way.

I’m realizing these are very complex issues and most want cut and dry black and white answers and because of this they miss the complexity of the issue.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Well I guess it just goes to show you better be careful who you pick a fight with then doesn't it?

Sister, it certainly doesn't fit the Biblical eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth doctrine. Again, it's easy to make judgements 60 years after the fact, but I think a case can be made for anyone who thinks bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were overkill during WWII. Of course, our use of those bombs is what made us the political powerhouse the USA is today.

[marthaolivia]

Well I guess it just goes to show you better be careful who you pick a fight with then doesn't it?

Honestly PO I am amazed that we even have to defend our country in our own country!


Jeanie: I love your answers. I wish I could think that quickly.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Rico, Chosen by One makes the same argument that any number of liberal American Hating College professors have attempted to make since the 1960's.

I have personally debated a couple of them to the point that they just sputtered and shut up.

We arent talking about attitudes toward Japan in 2008. We are talking about the facts on the Ground in 1945 in the days leading up to the first bomb being dropped.

What we knew about Japan remains very clear. Poll results asking the uneducated masses (Most of whom cant tell you who the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is) doesnt change the simply FACTS.

Both American and Japanese scolars will tell you that the cost of invasion would have been far greater than the losses from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There was no serious consideration of an embargo or some kind of Naval Blockade. Considering the size of Japan, the actual lenght the Japanese were willing to go to,

the FACT that in the closing days of the European front, America was very much concerned with a possible front opening against RUSSIA.

The HISTORIC REALITY was that use of the Atomic bomb was deemed necessary.

could we have hit something smaller? sure I suppose we could have. but remember first, Hiroshima was hit before Nagasaki, and that didnt get the Japanese to caputlate.

second, consider that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both "something smaller". They were not the main cities of Japan. we could have unleased the bombs on Tokoyo and Yokohama.

and third, the point here isnt that we should or should not have dropped the bomb, but the charge that it was done, according to Jerimiah Wright, without batting an eye! that is an out and out lie.

Ferd I think you need to work for FOX! Awesome point!

Originally Posted by Rico

How many people died in Pearl Harbor compared with how many died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Think about that for a minute. Us killing that many people would be like my killing you and your entire extended family because you killed one of my children.

You touch my children and see what happens to you!!! I believe we should have dropped a few on Germany too. Anything to save American lives is what I am all about. I could care less about what some women oppressors in the Middle East think about us Americans.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I know, I guess I meant defend American on AFF--UNREAL!

I must be getting old or something!

I know, me too.

My point is that the same mindset that causes us to have to defend America to the Americans has caused us to have to defend our own rights on our own turf.

The initial attack was made BY the Japanese on American (Hawaiian) soil.

The attack by the terrorists in 2001 was made BY the terrorist on American soil.

And, when we go to defend our rights, suddenly WE are the ones encroaching.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Pats CH on the pate....its ok little buddy. It will be all right...


PS, We heard a 15 minute snipit that a defender of Obama and Wright right here in this thread. The mans body of work stands on its own.

PSS, some say Jerimiah Wright has suffered Charactor assassination. Where I am from when a fellow is quoted directly that is called Charactor Suicide.

Ferd, you don't have to be insulting. Please express your point without doing so...if you're capable. We're brothers in a discussion not enemies.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, it certainly doesn't fit the Biblical eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth doctrine. Again, it's easy to make judgements 60 years after the fact, but I think a case can be made for anyone who thinks bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki were overkill during WWII. Of course, our use of those bombs is what made us the political powerhouse the USA is today.

that is reasonable rico, good for you, lol,dt

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Could the results of this "steady diet" of Liberation Theology be?:

Michelle Obama's remark: “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country"?

B. Obama: Avoiding to wear an American Flag pin?

B. Obama: Refraining to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

Actually both are myth. Look it up.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Even Wright’s comments about Japan are being misconstrued.

Let’s try to understand his point before jumping to railing conclusions. America killed masses and masses of innocent people by dropping the bomb. Yes, a ground invasion would have cost us more military lives on both sides…but it would have afforded the civilian population an opportunity to flee. Right or wrong…we sacrificed the lives of masses and masses of innocent people to win the War.

The moral implications are disturbing. If American can drop nuclear weapons and kill masses of human beings to bring her enemy to their knees…does this not afford justification to Islamic fundamentalists who feel they have to do the same thing to their perceived enemy (us)?

There is a cycle to violence, war, and bloodshed and it perpetuates until someone is big enough to end that cycle. Right or wrong when we bombed Japan killing masses of civilians and innocent children…did we not communicate that such is an acceptable means of achieving victory in armed conflict?

I can see what Wright was saying though I don’t believe there was another way.

I’m realizing these are very complex issues and most want cut and dry black and white answers and because of this they miss the complexity of the issue.

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