Going back to the UPC - Page 25

Sherri · #**241** 03-25-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

There are over 20 people (including at least one woman) in our New Testament that are called "apostles." It is one of the 5 ministries mentioned in Ephesians 4. If we can have evangelists, pastors and teachers, why can't we have apostles and prophets.

I know what you mean about that feeling that can come from hearing someone refer to himself or herself as an apostle or a prophet. Lots of folks are calling themselves that. Just look at the ads in a magazine like Charisma.

But, if someone is a pastor, he/she can call himself/herself a pastor.
If someone is a teacher, he/she can call himself/herself a teacher.
If someone is an evangelist, he/she can call himself/herself an evangelist.
So, why can't an apostle or a prophet refer to himself/herself as an apostle or a prophet?

I don't think the majority of Pentecostal people really believe in the five fold ministry. Most believe in three, and some stretch it into four, but that "apostle" thing throw them.

jaxfam6 · #**242** 03-25-2008, 10:50 PM

I personally don't care what the sign out front says. If you have the Pentecostal experience and the Apostolic doctrine then you can call yourself Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist for all I care. Just believe in Jesus name baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues and you have a great shot at making heaven your home.

Sam · #**243** 03-25-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

An apostle plants churches and raises up leaders for them. That's definitely Eddie's calling in life. I don't know if we'll ever just pastor one place again. For the past 7 years, we have always pastored at least two places until we get someone else established in them. He thrives on church plants!

But, for the mindset you stated here, we do not refer to him as Apostle, but Pastor since he fulfills the role of Sr. Pastor for now. But he doesn't have the "heart" of a pastor - that caring, people-person personality. That's why he surrounds himself with staff people who do.

Eddie sounds like an Apostle to me.

Sherri · #**244** 03-25-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Eddie sounds like an Apostle to me.

Yep....does that make me the Epistle?

Hoovie · #**245** 03-25-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

An apostle plants churches and raises up leaders for them. .

How is this Biblically determined?

Sam · #**246** 03-25-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Yep....does that make me the Epistle?

could be
if you believe the epistles were the wives of the apostles

what would a child of an epistle be called?
a son of a gun?

Sherri · #**247** 03-25-2008, 11:00 PM

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How is this Biblically determined?

It's what the apostles did, especially in their missionary travels. They planted churches, set up leaders, and then oversaw them and checked on them. They had men who cared for the churches that were started. At least that's the way I see it.

What would your definition of a modern day Apostle be?

jaxfam6 · #**248** 03-25-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

could be
if you believe the epistles were the wives of the apostles

what would a child of an epistle be called?
a son of a gun?

Sam · #**249** 03-25-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

How is this Biblically determined?

an apostle (based on the Greek word) is one who is sent.

Some apostles in the Bible seemed to be leaders.
Apostles were like missionaries or pioneer preachers.

The Apostle Paul and other apostles who accompanied him established churches, organized them, oversaw the appointing of leaders in them, etc. This sounds like what Eddie does.

CC1 · #**250** 03-25-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I was raised AMF and we called ourselves both Pentecostal and Apostolic. And they were not a split from the UPC they were a fellowship of many men from a few organizations and they went overboard, to say the least.
The Apostolic Assembly is Hispanic and we do use the term Apostolic but we also see ourselves as Pentecostal also. It is just the name of the organization that uses the term. The AAFCJ back in the early 1900 used the PAW for licensing purposes until about 1916. (by the way being raised AMF I now go to an AAFCJ church)

The ALJC does not even use Apostolic or Pentecostal. They are the Assembiles of the Lord Jesus Christ. They consider themselves to be both A and P.

lets see raised AMF, went to a ALJC, then to UPC, back to ALJC, then back to UPC, then to AAFCJ.

The AMF WAS a split off from the UPC. I think there are AMF Elders on here who will confirm that. They have recounted the story of how the split came about over church government, tithing to the district, etc.

This doesn't mean that other nonUPC men did not join them in the AMF org.