Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

Bro notice something...you're not able to even conceive that the Bush Administration perpetrated a war of choice based on false pretenses. When one understands how far back plans to invade Iraq go (the first Bush Presidency) it becomes obvious that this was the brainchild of Paul Wolfowitz. What if Scott is telling the truth? I mean...if he were...what would you expect the White House and the Administration to say?

Everyone forgets that it was the official policy of the US for regime change in Iraq for 15 years prior to the W administration. Saddam defied the whole world community including the toothless UN, America was attacked and the source of that attack was squarely in the Mideast. History will credit the Bush administration with stopping the rise of radical Islam, the Democrats will no more pull out of Iraq abruptly than a goose, it is all politics.

President Bush has been so demonized by the press, the Democrats and wimpy Republicans that anyone who defends him is made to look the fool. I appreciate a man that makes hard decisions and very, very slow changes him mind. A man that can stand against the onslaught on that has been brought against W would break most men, few could govern at all with such goofiness being puked all over the airwaves and internet.

Oh, btw we haven't been attacked in the homeland since 9/11, Bush hasn't done too badly on the most important of his task.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Everyone forgets that it was the official policy of the US for regime change in Iraq for 15 years prior to the W administration. Saddam defied the whole world community including the toothless UN, America was attacked and the source of that attack was squarely in the Mideast. History will credit the Bush administration with stopping the rise of radical Islam, the Democrats will no more pull out of Iraq abruptly than a goose, it is all politics.

President Bush has been so demonized by the press, the Democrats and wimpy Republicans that anyone who defends him is made to look the fool. I appreciate a man that makes hard decisions and very, very slow changes him mind. A man that can stand against the onslaught on that has been brought against W would break most men, few could govern at all with such goofiness being puked all over the airwaves and internet.

I believe the war to uproot the Taliban and al Queda was necessary. I don't think Iraq was based on the things I've studied. Wolfowitz was pushing to invade Iraq under the first Bush Presidency and then H. W. Bush rebuked him for being to radical and ordered then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney to re-write the policy papers. I think that our military action in Afghanistan was absolutely called for...however, I'm convinced that Iraq was pushed on us by men with an agenda. While I could be wrong...I firmly believe that once Bush is gone men will come out of the woodwork about how deceptive, secretive, and corrupt this regime has been. And I feel these men will be prominent Republicans who are currently quiet because it would be political suicide to speak out right now.

We'll have to revisit this in a few years. I'm convinced you'll look back at your position here and be amazed that you're lock step behind President Bush.

And bro...radical Islam is bigger right now than it was prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq. As a matter of fact this Administration's policies have united various Islamic factions that used to be at odds in addition to having motivated widespread sympathy and devotion to radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I think it has more to do with revealing the facts behind the war so that the people have more information in the coming election. Do we essentially keep the current machine and course of action or do we change direction?

Of course, the press secretary was given warm words and praise when leaving and all was nice and friendly. Now this guy is going to be painted as disgruntled. It's like when a controlling pastor looses control of a saint who decides to speak up about something not right...suddenly that saint is just "not himself".

Republicans will vote Republican regardless of the deception and lies of the Bush Administration...and those voting Democratic already know the war was based on lies and fabrications. This will only effect undecideds and independents.

Well I disagree with your first paragraph. I agree somewhat with your second paragraph. As for the third, Democrats have lied but I guess that's different since it wasn't about a war, whatever. A liar is a liar, the man writing the book is a liar then, as he was a part of this lie based war(If this is true). So, yeah he does not have any credibility with intelligent people. But I guess that leaves the Democrats out.

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Well I disagree with your first paragraph. I agree somewhat with your second paragraph. As for the third, Democrats have lied but I guess that's different since it wasn't about a war, whatever. A liar is a liar, the man writing the book is a liar then, as he was a part of this lie based war(If this is true). So, yeah he does not have any credibility with intelligent people. But I guess that leaves the Democrats out.

It's true that a liar is a liar. And all politicians lie. However, I think a lie about an affair doesn't compare to a series of lies that propels a nation into an unnecessary war where thousands of Americans die and over 84,000 Iraqi civilians loose their lives. Not to mention the diplomatic impact of the complete loss of U.S. creditability throughout the world and the creation of unprecedented anti-Americanism that is igniting a virtual "revival" of radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

Yes...a liar is a liar...but some lies are far worse than others. Let's face it...we're so misguided... we're more upset about a President having a mistress than we are that tens of thousands of civilians have been blown to shreds, over false claims and shaded intelligence. In my mind they don't compare.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

It's true that a liar is a liar. And all politicians lie. However, I think a lie about an affair doesn't compare to a series of lies that propels a nation into an unnecessary war where thousands of Americans die and over 84,000 Iraqi civilians loose their lives. Not to mention the diplomatic impact of the complete loss of U.S. creditability throughout the world and the creation of unprecedented anti-Americanism that is igniting a virtual "revival" of radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

Yes...a liar is a liar...but some lies are far worse than others. Let's face it...we're so misguided... we're more upset about a President having a mistress than we are that tens of thousands of civilians have been blown to shreds, over false claims and shaded intelligence. In my mind they don't compare.

Nope, we can pick and choose our thoughts about life GH. I do care about anyone dying for any country. blah, blah, blah, on U S credibility with the world. We did not ignite radical islam in the last few years, it had started long before that. You cannot blame that on any U S president a Bush or not. You do realize that Mr. Bush is an American right? He has to live here too, do you really think that he is trying to destroy the country he lives in, or that his wife and children live in? Think about it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Nope, we can pick and choose our thoughts about life GH. I do care about anyone dying for any country. blah, blah, blah, on U S credibility with the world. We did not ignite radical islam in the last few years, it had started long before that. You cannot blame that on any U S president a Bush or not. You do realize that Mr. Bush is an American right? He has to live here too, do you really think that he is trying to destroy the country he lives in, or that his wife and children live in? Think about it.

I agree and especially when we were getting the same intelligence information from other country's leaders.

I just wonder what Carolyn thinks of her son's book? lol Lord, she is one loud-mouthed woman.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree and especially when we were getting the same intelligence information from other countries leaders.

I just wonder what Carolyn thinks of her son's book? lol Lord, she is one loud-mouthed woman.

Hey check out my thread woman.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Hey check out my thread woman.

Just logging in a bit. I'll go see what you did this time!!!

[Cindy]

GH, propaganda has been used to push wars before. This is nothing new.

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Nope, we can pick and choose our thoughts about life GH. I do care about anyone dying for any country. blah, blah, blah, on U S credibility with the world. We did not ignite radical islam in the last few years, it had started long before that. You cannot blame that on any U S president a Bush or not. You do realize that Mr. Bush is an American right? He has to live here too, do you really think that he is trying to destroy the country he lives in, or that his wife and children live in? Think about it.

I think it's important that we maintain a high degree of creditability. For example let's say Iran gets nukes secretly and we approach the international community about it....will they trust us or will they grill us, wasting precious time? It's like the little boy who cried wolf. I think the majority of nations will second guess us now. And I see that as an issue.

I didn't say we "started" radical Islam. I'm saying that we have ignited it. There are record numbers of Muslims joining radical Islamic groups and many groups who were once at odds are uniting. Some of these groups, like Hamas, have become popular enough with the local Arab peoples that they have won elections to official offices. Even Pakistan's relatively moderate government is facing a rising tide of Anti-American political forces that hold radical Islamic tenants. When the Arab world saw us preemptively invade one of their countries on false pretenses...it ignited a groundswell of Anti-Americanism.

Very bad for us. Things are actually worse now because of Iraq. We're not safer...it's never been more dangerous.