Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Ok, sorry for my ramblings
Why does he or anyone hae to be so angry with a subject just because they find it false doctrine? Are you angry and disgusted with certain Pentecostal subjects? You ever think that what people are getting upset at is not the subject but how you approach them. Like you called all us Pentecostals hogs
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Ok, sorry for my ramblings
DV, you are the first I've heard saying it isn't essential to start with. So you have to understand therefore that if you are a branhamite, then I am a bit skeptical.
Everyone I have met that got involved in this ended up in the ditch. It caused no small ruckus with some folk I dearly love.
ive debated it 9 ways from sunday. it isn't a matter of it being pornographic, its a matter of this doctrine leading to vastly divergent understanding of the grace of God.... to the point that it effectively eliminates the Grace of God.
so, there you have it, all the times I have encountered this, it really is essential and it really gets in the way of sound doctrine. It is vastly different than someone's understanding of Revelations.
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Ferd
DV, you are the first I've heard saying it isn't essential to start with. So you have to understand therefore that if you are a branhamite, then I am a bit skeptical.
Everyone I have met that got involved in this ended up in the ditch. It caused no small ruckus with some folk I dearly love.
ive debated it 9 ways from sunday. it isn't a matter of it being pornographic, its a matter of this doctrine leading to vastly divergent understanding of the grace of God.... to the point that it effectively eliminates the Grace of God.
so, there you have it, all the times I have encountered this, it really is essential and it really gets in the way of sound doctrine. It is vastly different than someone's understanding of Revelations.
I've had debates with Branham followers for years and the serpent seed doctrine was always very very important to them
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I've had debates with Branham followers for years and the serpent seed doctrine was always very very important to them
PRAX, very important in their understanding of the purpose of Jesus "shedding his blood" but not ESSENTIAL ....
The Serpent Seed people have been treated like bastard children because of this belief.. I was one of those who thought of them as repulsive because of the church I was raised in.... it was soo funny once I came to Serpent Seed understanding I sat down with my Pastor and had a looooong talk with him about it.. when it was over here was his words "That's not how I always heard it, let's not divide fellowship over that"
His ideas of Serpent Seed was vastly different than what we actually believe.
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Ok, sorry for my ramblings
Whether salvational or not, the serpent seed doctrine is a perversion of truth, in my opinion. That's why I am against it.
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Dr. Vaughn ... you have a picture of your wife preaching on your Myspace ...
captioned "Preaching in TN" ...
IM REALLY CONFUSED!!!
I won't post it for respect of her privacy.
I can also show you pictures of me shouting all over the church in days gone by.. My wife and I have changed our understanding of scripture since those days.. my wife now teaches women only and she is the best in the world at it.. amazing lady..
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