Change After Water Baptism?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

When I was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins, in obedience to Acts 2:38, for the rest of that night I felt good on the inside, clean, light, and almost like a was a little tipsy; and I give God all of the glory for that. I did not have the Holy Ghost at that time but I had faith and had repented of my sins. I did get the Holy Ghost a few months later though.

In my born again walk though, I have come across some who were baptized the same way but in a different church, but did not feel anything different at all after they were baptized.

I've also read of some who were baptized and didn't feel anything different who heard about others who had and to make a long story short, found an apostolic minister who had re-baptized people who had NOT felt anything different and afterwards they did feel different.

So I thought I would ask apostolics in here if they felt anything different at all after they were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?

I think the change comes in your heart and mind before baptism. When you truly believe...that begins the process of change and baptism is just the evidence of the inward change.

Blessings, Rhoni

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/rebaptisms.html

Posting this link explains alot.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Posting this link explains alot.

Exactly! I stopped reading as soon as I saw the author.

[Brad Murphy]

When I was baptized (at around 10 years old) I think people were disappointed that I didn't jump up and down and shout like I was supposed to. I was just relieved that I wouldn't go to hell if God came back right then... it was just a task that I crossed off my list to keep from going to hell.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I felt good after the baptism, but felt bad after a while.

You see, I had already been filled with the Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus Name. But I wanted to witness to this Methodist Pastor about the truth of baptism in Jesus Name. So I told him that I wanted to be baptized, "just like how I was taught in Japan-- out of the Bible, in the name of Jesus." It had been less than a week from my arrival back in the States from Japan, in the summer of 1997.

He asked me questions and I acted like I was fumbling around the scriptures to find stuff that I knew EXACTLY where to go to prove the point I was trying to make. I was very manipulative in my mannerisms. I was adamant about getting baptized in Jesus Name and the Methodist Pastor had to get his regional Presbyter's permission to do baptize me in this way. In fact, he joined us for the ceremony.

The way I way I went about convincing him to baptize me though was at it's core deceitful on my part.

I am told that I caused that Pastor who baptized me a lot of grief and heartache and that he eventually stopped Pastoring. I was told this by the Presbyter, who after several months asked me point blank if I was being manipulative.

When that Methodist Pastor baptized me, it was my third time getting baptized. I believe I was baptized that time in the Rappahanock River.

I haven't been baptized in water sense.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

I was baptised in Jesus' name twice. I was very young the first time and never recieved the Holy Ghost. After a few years, I'd still not been filled with the H.G. Someone suggested that I be baptised again. Perhaps I'd get the H.G. in the water! Well I didn't. Recieving the Holy Ghost was something I struggled with for several years. I left the church when I was a teen-ager to be cool and smoke dope.

In my twenties, thankfully, God drew me back! Several weeks went by and there I was in the alter again seeking the Holy Ghost, but God didn't fill me yet. Doubt came my way. I didn't know what to do!

The day I recieved the Holy Ghost is just like you described in the opener. I was in the clouds! I remember hearing my pastor tell me that I was making it much harder than it should be and when I finally released my entire self to God I remember jumping and shouting and speaking in tongues for I don't know how long. It was indescribable!

Thank God for his unspeakable gift!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

When I was baptized (at around 10 years old) I think people were disappointed that I didn't jump up and down and shout like I was supposed to. I was just relieved that I wouldn't go to hell if God came back right then... it was just a task that I crossed off my list to keep from going to hell.

I think that is how most people look at it, which is unfortunate.

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by Sam

I felt a lot of emotions after asking Jesus Christ into my heart, not just then, but over the years. I was later baptized using the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost wording in a lake. I did not consider myself any more saved after the baptism than I was before the baptism. A few months later I was baptized in Jesus' Name. I did not consider myself any more saved after that baptism than I was before the baptism. Water baptism does not save, it does not cleanse, it is the answer/response of a clear conscience with God. The old person that we once were is dead and we now have new life (Jesus --the Holy Spirit--- within) so we publicly display the burial of that "old man" in a watery grave and we publicly display the new resurrection life of the "new man" by coming up out of that watery grave.

What you are saying contradicts scripture. Let's see what the bible has to say about NT water baptism and its purpose...

REMISSION OF SINS
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1 John 5:8 - And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

How does water and blood agree in one? Let's see if the bible shows a relationship b/n water and blood...

Must get remission of sins - Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remission of Sins is only through the name - Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. - not "has" but "shall" receive - future tense - kinda like the following speaking of future tense...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Where did Peter get remission of sins through the name? From Jesus of course...

Jesus taught remission of sins in his name - Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

How is Remission of Sins through the name? - Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In Acts 2:38, Peter told them - repent and be baptized - who? - everyone of you - how? - in the name of Jesus Christ - why? - for the remission of sins - and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Biblical definition of remission = washing away of sins - Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Was Paul's sins washed away at his baptism or not? Come on now!

If a sinner had all of his past sins remitted or washed away, do you think it would give him a good conscience towards God? It seems that Peter in his epistle thought so...

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Water baptism alone does not save, but it is definitely part of the NT born again process as Jesus also taught.

Noah and his family were saved by water in the ark because the water washed away the sins and wickedness of the world - just like NT water baptism in the name of Jesus is for the remission or washing away of sins, giving one a good conscience towards God

Conscience show and agrees with the rest of scripture that it is about the remission or washing away of sins; and when all of one's past sins have been remitted or washed away it WILL give a person a good conscience towards God

God's word and not man's word - NT water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission or washing away of sins - giving one a good conscience towards God

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Baptisms - PLURAL - are part of the foundational principles of the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST. Its NOT something after the foundation has been laid that is built on top of the foundation, but baptisms are part of the foundational principles of the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST. Jesus taught water and Spirit baptism. If you want to fight about this, then you are fighting against truth.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Glory to God for his unchanging truth and for strong apostolic ministers who do not forsake their spiritual heritage and the doctrine of Christ!

[theoldpaths]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I think God gives us all different experiences for different reasons. I don't remember feeling anything special when I first spoke in tongues except that I spoke in tongues which was unexpected at the time. The language just flowed out of me with no effort or forethought of my own self.

For me the baptism of the Holy Ghost was a supernatural event.

I was praying at the altar on my knees with my face in my hands and there was only 1 other person in the church, my room-mate, and he was at the back of the church as it was an early-morning, start your day off with prayer, type of things.

I had been seeking for the Holy Ghost for a while before that day, but that day, all of a sudden the power of God hit me and the next thing I knew, I was on my feet with my knees still bent and my hands up in the air and I could feel the presence of God all around me. I could feel this tangible invisible river of water gushing around my belly, and slowly rising up through my chest, then up my neck, and then when it came out of my mouth, I was speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of the Almighty God was giving me the utterance and it was not I.

It was totally amazing and I give God all the praise and glory for that special, supernatural event!

[Jermyn Davidson]

I simply disagree with you.

I am saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.

As a result of that God-given faith, a person must be baptized in order to be obedient to the scriptures. Their baptism should be performed calling on the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost-- Jesus Christ.

That same person should seek out the In-filling of the Holy Ghost, with the experience of speaking in tongues under the divine inspiration of God.