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Old 05-26-2009, 09:27 AM
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Re: Speaking in tongues

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I want to know where in the bible someone was praying in tongues..need some scripture please to physically show me that someone was praying in tongues......in the bible...
Some point to Romans 8:26 (Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.), but nice try but no cigar, IMO. The Spirit prays for us, not through us. And what He prays cannot be uttered. Doesn't sound like tongues to me.
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Old 05-26-2009, 07:06 PM
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Re: Speaking in tongues

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I want to know where in the bible someone was praying in tongues..need some scripture please to physically show me that someone was praying in tongues......in the bible...
Paul refers to his praying in tongues as "my spirit is praying but my understanding is unfruitful" in 1 cor. 14:14. Then in verse 15 he goes on and says that he will continue to pray "with the spirit" (unknown tongue) and also with the understanding (known language) and also that he would sing both in tongues and in a language known to him. In verses 16 and 17 he talks about blessing with the spirit (tongues) but those who do not understand will not be able to say "amen."
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:52 AM
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But why pray it an unknown tongue sam if your understanding is unfruitful I think what he is saying here is to pray so that you can understand when I hear people in church before service praying in "tongues" it is far from understandable and I really don't think they are in that deep of a trance with the people coming into the service and saying hi to one another etc,etc plus why would you need to communicate with god in a "CODE" language I have a hard time beleiving he does not hear me in my native tongue no need for "CODE TALK" If I pray and I don't understand what I am praying for then I am unfruitful....
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:57 AM
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But why pray it an unknown tongue sam if your understanding is unfruitful I think what he is saying here is to pray so that you can understand when I hear people in church before service praying in "tongues" it is far from understandable and I really don't think they are in that deep of a trance with the people coming into the service and saying hi to one another etc,etc plus why would you need to communicate with god in a "CODE" language I have a hard time beleiving he does not hear me in my native tongue no need for "CODE TALK" If I pray and I don't understand what I am praying for then I am unfruitful....
The gifts of the Spirit are for the edification/building up of the Body. That's why public utterances in tongues should be interpreted into a language understood by those in the congregation. That's why Paul said he'd rather speak 5 words in a known language than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue to a congregation. That's why he said it was greater to prophesy (speak words to edify (build up), exhort (stir up), or comfort (cheer up or lift up)) than it is to speak publicly in tongues --unless the utterance in tongues is interpreted. If interpreted, a message in tongues would be equal to prophecy.

Paul did however, say that if the message/utterance/prayer was not interpreted the person should speak to himself and to God. When a person is praying in tongues or in his prayer language he is edifying (building up) himself. You mentioned hearing people praying in tongues in a prayer room or before service in a public setting. I assume several people are all praying at once and their prayers are between them and God and are not for all those there to listen to. Since this is private between them and God and not intended for the congregation, it would not need to be interpreted. This is communication between that person's spirit and his Heavenly Father. It is a prayer that does not go through the filter of the human mind so it is not affected by our human limitations, weaknesses, prejudices, etc. We all can stand some building up spiritually and praying in tongues does this. In my opinion, praying in my prayer language is building me up and is encouraged by verses such as 1Cor. 14:4 and 14; Romans 8:26-27; Jude 20; and Ephesians 6:18. I realize that not all Christians see these verses in the same way.
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Re: Speaking in tongues

Sounds like we have some "babies" around here that need to be taught the Word of God.
Babies are usually fed by parents or older siblings. They should be taught to feed them-
selves in a while. They may be messy at first, but if continued to be taught, they will
learn to fed themselves. They should also be taught to feed themselves the Word of God.
There is a serious lack of teachers in Pentecost. Parents who should have taught their
children to listen to the Word of God in family alters. Also teach their children a love for
God's Word. Also teach them to pray. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word
of God.
Then when children grow and faith builds in their hearts, they should realize their need
of the Spirit of God. That they "must be born again, of water and Spirit". After they re-
ceive the Holy Ghost, the spirit of truth, they should desire the sincere milk of the Word
that they may grow thereby. Though continuing to feed themselves the Word of God,
the image of Christ should be forming in them. HE will grow/form in them and mature as
a babe does. Christ in you, the HOPE of glory. THe Spirit that was received will lead and
guide and teach as that person grows and matures in Christ. Seems too many parents
have left it up to the pastor, the babysitter or others to teach their children. Now we
are reaping the results of a generation of children that were not taught the good Word
of God in the home. Many years ago I heard of a priest that said, "Give the Catholic
Church your children for six or seven years and they will be Catholics for life. Well, we
might not give our children to the catholic church to teach but if someone other than
their God-given parents were given permission to teach them, we have shierked our
God-given responsibility as parents.


Some just like to get a good argument going. Some sincerely want an answer. But
there is nothing like digging into that good "food", the Word of God to get answers.

Joyce Meyer said she has people all the time come up to her in seminars and say
things like, "Joyce, I wish I had what you have". She said "it is not fair for them to
want what I have without going through what I did to get it". Some want someone
to do their studying and tell them what the answers are, when it's time for the test.


Could it be that the saving of a soul is the miracle of the moment! But the making
of a saint, the work of a lifetime!

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Old 05-27-2009, 10:00 AM
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Sis you need to jump over to the pentecost fourm that Sam created and read the definition of Glossolalia and I am sorry I will not take part in anything that a vodoo cult can also do which brings my next question how do you know the tongues you speak are not of the devil...you know he can speak in tongues too..He has to to let the vodoo peps be able to do it...
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:11 AM
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Sis you need to jump over to the pentecost fourm that Sam created and read the definition of Glossolalia and I am sorry I will not take part in anything that a vodoo cult can also do which brings my next question how do you know the tongues you speak are not of the devil...you know he can speak in tongues too..He has to to let the vodoo peps be able to do it...
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:18 AM
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And I am sorry but this guy is not helping the tongue talking crowd any..LOL Yall need a better spokes person....If you want someone to truly believe in the tongues you need to remove stuff like this...LOL

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Sis you need to jump over to the pentecost fourm that Sam created and read the definition of Glossolalia and I am sorry I will not take part in anything that a vodoo cult can also do which brings my next question how do you know the tongues you speak are not of the devil...you know he can speak in tongues too..He has to to let the vodoo peps be able to do it...


Bro,

Just judge the fruit of the one over the other and you will see the difference.
If the praying in the Spirit produces love for the Lord and for others around us then we know it is not of the voodoo variety. If it produces evil and killing and cursing of others and doubt concerning the Creator, well then you can be sure it is of the devil.

It really is very simply, don't make it so difficult. God is not the author of confusion, that is the voodoos function.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:31 AM
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Bro,

Just judge the fruit of the one over the other and you will see the difference.
If the praying in the Spirit produces love for the Lord and for others around us then we know it is not of the voodoo variety. If it produces evil and killing and cursing of others and doubt concerning the Creator, well then you can be sure it is of the devil.

It really is very simply, don't make it so difficult. God is not the author of confusion, that is the voodoos function.
Got to be careful judging fruit, though. One can easily be tricked by good fruit coming out of a non-Christian. In fact, it happens a lot!
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