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08-25-2010, 11:22 AM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: The Backside to Submission
I do not think God had dictator style leadership in mind...
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08-25-2010, 11:24 AM
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mary
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Re: The Backside to Submission
I don't think Biblical submission is anything like what people have made it in some circles. Submission is NOT:
always looking at the ground and never meeting anyone's eyes
allowing abuse of any kind-verbal, emotional, or physical
never saying anything to contradict or question an "authority"
Submission cannot be beaten into a person, does not mean breaking that person's will, and will never be forced.
Submission is completely voluntary, and can only occur when the one submitting truly trusts and respects, and is loved and respected by, the one being submitted to. Because true submission is voluntary, it does not happen between two people who do not consider themselves equals. If there is inequality, there is no need for submission, only leadership. And if there is equality without mutual respect and love, there is no place for submission, but only dictatorship.
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08-25-2010, 11:35 AM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: The Backside to Submission
I think Bible submission and some men´s ideas of submission is 2 different things...
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08-25-2010, 11:40 AM
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Standing fast in liberty!
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Re: The Backside to Submission
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Originally Posted by coadie
Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end... And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13
3 types of luv
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The "love" being referred to here by Paul is Agape.
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08-25-2010, 11:42 AM
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Re: The Backside to Submission
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The "love" being referred to here by Paul is Agape.
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There is no reference to eros in the NT. It is the luv that is behind gay marriages. Relationships limited to that won't work out.
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08-25-2010, 12:14 PM
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Re: The Backside to Submission
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There is no reference to eros in the NT. It is the luv that is behind gay marriages. Relationships limited to that won't work out.
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Agreed! And I'll go on to say that many (if not most) heterosexual marriages and relationships are based on eros as well, and NOT agape. If agape was the basis of all marriages, would we see nearly as many divorces? Would we even use the term "fall in love" if we were truly talking about agape? Eros and Phileo are based on emotion. Agape is not.
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Instead of studying to make sure what we believe is supported by Scripture, we MUST study the Scripture to see what IT TEACHES... then BELIEVE THAT!
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2.15 KJV
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08-25-2010, 11:43 AM
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mary
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Re: The Backside to Submission
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Originally Posted by Jim H
The "love" being referred to here by Paul is Agape.
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Can a person have true Phileo or Eros without Agape?
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08-25-2010, 12:12 PM
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Re: The Backside to Submission
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Can a person have true Phileo or Eros without Agape?
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Absolutely! Agape love is unconditional and self-sacrificing. Agape love is willful and active. This is what we mean when was say "love is a verb."
Phileo and Eros love are actually what we see most of in the world. It's all about feelings - feelings and emotions that can change like the weather, depending upon circumstance. Agape is nothing like it.
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Instead of studying to make sure what we believe is supported by Scripture, we MUST study the Scripture to see what IT TEACHES... then BELIEVE THAT!
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