Herman Cain.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

I hope he gets far enough that I have a chance to do so. Would be nice to take away Obummer's erstwhile "racial sympathy" vote. My slogan for Cain:

"Even MORE HISTORIC."

As far as the "racial sympathy" thing, in my opinion, it is as much racist to vote for a person because he is African American as it is to vote against a person because he is African American.

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Sam

As far as the "racial sympathy" thing, in my opinion, it is as much racist to vote for a person because he is African American as it is to vote against a person because he is African American.

Yes, nevertheless it's a political reality that had and still has big consequences.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The GOP DOES NOT need another black face.

When the GOP trumpets a black conservative because he is black, it's akin to the white guy who attempts to prove he's not racist by pointing out his one or two black friends.

A black face for the GOP is simply a salve to soothe the conscience of good-hearted GOP'ers who don't knoiw how to confront the fact that the expresion of their values (in policy and law) puts them at odds far too often with other minorities and the poor in America unnecessarily.





Putting a black face on the GOP does very little to change the perception of our stance being anti poor and/or anti minority.


The GOP doesn't need another black face. I criticized Steele's "election" to his position using this same argument-- but no one on AFF agreed with me and only ONE of my more-conservatve-than-me friends agreed with me.



We need common sense Conservatives who are compassionate-- who can express and carry out conservative policies that do not insult or disregard America's minorities and poor.

Until the GOP succeeds in doing this, Cain and others like him will be seen as the GOP's black alternative to Obama-- which isn't fair to Cain, Obama, or the GOP.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I'll go one step further and say this.

I want the GOP to put a conservative, christian, white candidate forward, whose candidacy is untaintanble with valid anti minority and/or anti poor perception issues.


Governor Barbour was that guy.
Governor Christie would be that guy if he is a Christian.

There are other GOP'ers out there, I know-- but these are the two that come to mind.

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I'll go one step further and say this.

I want the GOP to put a...christian, white candidate forward, whose candidacy is untaintanble with valid anti minority and/or anti poor perception issues.
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Ah, so your candidate needs to be _white_ but let's not be racist, eh? I merely resonate with Cain's rhetoric, apart from heritage. But if race reality can be made to work in his favor, then great, it's sensible to exploit whatever political capital may be available (*may* be, but who knows in this case...obviously black heritage would be bigger disadvantage if not for Obummer..)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Ah, so your candidate needs to be _white_ but let's not be racist, eh? I merely resonate with Cain's rhetoric, apart from heritage. But if race reality can be made to work in his favor, then great, it's sensible to exploit whatever political capital may be available (*may* be, but who knows in this case...obviously black heritage would be bigger disadvantage if not for Obummer..)

You said, "... obviously black heritage would be bigger disadvantage if not for Obummer."


The implication here is astounding, which is part of the root problem that the GOP has on a national level (an often on a local level too) when it comes to matters where race (or economics which in America goes hand-in-hand with race historically) is involved.



Thanks for your honesty.

In no ways I am trying to paint you as racist-- most GOP'ers aren't.

Still, your statement speaks voluimes as to why the perception the GOP has as being anti minority and anti poor is so hard to shake.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

...Until the GOP succeeds in doing this, Cain and others like him will be seen as the GOP's black alternative to Obama-- which isn't fair to Cain, Obama, or the GOP.

I think you are right.

How long has it been since Affirmative Action was instituted?
Yet, whenever some of us see an African American in a good position or situation there is a question in the back of our minds if he/she earned that or is there only because of skin color.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

I think you are right.

How long has it been since Affirmative Action was instituted?
Yet, whenever some of us see an African American in a good position or situation there is a question in the back of our minds if he/she earned that or is there only because of skin color.

This is a sad reality.

[Pressing-On]

Somebody is working for him. Great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFB-...ature=youtu.be

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Somebody is working for him. Great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFB-...ature=youtu.be

If Congressman Allen West doesn't run, I'm inclined to vote for Herman Cain.