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Old 09-17-2007, 09:41 PM
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One could say that most Pentecostal/Apostolic church services are conducted in just such an environment. The ability to create an "illusion" is very important. An illusion of harmony; an illusion that healings are taking place. Take away the showmanship and all we have in our services is a noisy Church of Christ gathering.

Just do something in the course of a sermon that gets the preacher off his stride- see how flustered he gets. Raise your hand and ask a question for example. Controlling the tempo and flow of the service is vital to creating the desired impact.

All arguments against TV can be directed right back the way we're already doing things. "Risk your integrity" on TV??? Who needs TV for that? You've been in district board meetings. The messy stuff that you are forced to have to clean up didn't come about because anyone was on TV.

And the integrity of the ministry Jesus Christ has already been risked over and over again, everytime someone gets up to speak in His name. His integrity has been disgraced countless times without a Television and He still seems to survive.
At first I wanted to agree with the bolded part - but then I realized it's not about Apostolics or OP's. This is the nature of an evangelistic service of most any stripe. And as to raising ones hand and asking a question... I attend the Lutheren church from time to time and that would not go over there at all. So I think your concern is not limited to Pentecostals, and most certainly not only Oneness Pentecostals.
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Old 09-17-2007, 09:56 PM
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I just received the following via email from a pastor in Illinois. It is quite enlightening, to say the least.
Quite enlightening of what????

That Jesus deliberatly chose to come 2000 years ago as to avoid taking part in the TV debate?

Give me a break...this is the lamest attempt to prop up a Jesus is against TV position i've ever seen...you've got to be kidding....this article's extreme position is considered valid and trustworthy...good grief....I'm getting dizzy....I'm melting.....
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:08 PM
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Quite enlightening of what????

That Jesus deliberatly chose to come 2000 years ago as to avoid taking part in the TV debate?

Give me a break...this is the lamest attempt to prop up a Jesus is against TV position i've ever seen...you've got to be kidding....this article's extreme position is considered valid and trustworthy...good grief....I'm getting dizzy....I'm melting.....
LOL!!!! I think the concept that Jesus purposefully avoided coming in the 20th or 21st century to avoid television speaks for itself!!!

That little nugget alone caused me to file this article in the proper place among literary works.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:06 PM
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LOL!!!! I think the concept that Jesus purposefully avoided coming in the 20th or 21st century to avoid television speaks for itself!!!

That little nugget alone caused me to file this article in the proper place among literary works.
I filed that with my Weekly World News report of Billy Graham being the anti-christ.
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I filed that with my Weekly World News report of Billy Graham being the anti-christ.
Which I trust is right next to one of the National Examiner reports about Aliens visiting with Bill Clinton in the Oval Office when he was President.
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Old 09-18-2007, 12:05 AM
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It's silly to think TV would have hindered or helped Jesus. He is God and His truth will go forth no matter what. We can be a part of that truth going forth or not. I don't care how you spread the gospel, just spread it.

There is a dying world going to hell yet some will hear and receive the gospel of Jesus Christ no matter how it's delivered and yet some of our own children are going to be in that group that enlarges the mouth of hell. However all we can see is a resolution in some man made papers. So much so that we exalt the use or non use of TV to the point of idol worship. Oh how great a day is it when someone uses the Book of God instead of papers that were not inspired by the Holy Ghost.

We say we're more beloved of God for not using TV or we say we're accomplishing the will of God even more then the other by using TV. In the end take your position, but stop arguing about it and get about your Father's business.

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I must have missed that one. Although I did rank the initial post a little less interesting than the prose found on bathroom walls.
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Which I trust is right next to one of the National Examiner reports about Aliens visiting with Bill Clinton in the Oval Office when he was President.
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One could say that most Pentecostal/Apostolic church services are conducted in just such an environment. The ability to create an "illusion" is very important. An illusion of harmony; an illusion that healings are taking place. Take away the showmanship and all we have in our services is a noisy Church of Christ gathering.

Just do something in the course of a sermon that gets the preacher off his stride- see how flustered he gets. Raise your hand and ask a question for example. Controlling the tempo and flow of the service is vital to creating the desired impact.

All arguments against TV can be directed right back the way we're already doing things. "Risk your integrity" on TV??? Who needs TV for that? You've been in district board meetings. The messy stuff that you are forced to have to clean up didn't come about because anyone was on TV.

And the integrity of the ministry Jesus Christ has already been risked over and over again, everytime someone gets up to speak in His name. His integrity has been disgraced countless times without a Television and He still seems to survive.
Doesn't 'illusion' seem to denote trickery, fakery and other such negative words? After all an illusion is something that is not real isn't it? Are you suggesting that Spirit filled, Spirit led church services are not real? That the operation of the Spirit in healing is unreal?
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Doesn't 'illusion' seem to denote trickery, fakery and other such negative words? After all an illusion is something that is not real isn't it? Are you suggesting that Spirit filled, Spirit led church services are not real? That the operation of the Spirit in healing is unreal?

When I read his post, I felt saddened for those who have been made cynical by showmen and tricksters.

Thank God for the real.

And btw, I teach a Bible Class in the main sanctuary every Sunday morning, and I encourage questions and comments from the congregation.

It doesn't fluster me at all. I appreciate the interaction and opportunity to field questions.

I taught a Leadership Class last night, as I do once a month, and there were questions and comments. I encourage them.

Now, a sermon is a tad different. The format is different.

But I wouldn't get upset with anybody if they raised their hand. It has happened.
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When I read his post, I felt saddened for those who have been made cynical by showmen and tricksters.

Thank God for the real.

And btw, I teach a Bible Class in the main sanctuary every Sunday morning, and I encourage questions and comments from the congregation.

It doesn't fluster me at all. I appreciate the interaction and opportunity to field questions.

I taught a Leadership Class last night, as I do once a month, and there were questions and comments. I encourage them.

Now, a sermon is a tad different. The format is different.

But I wouldn't get upset with anybody if they raised their hand. It has happened.
Yes, CS, thank God for the real!
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