Facial Hair - Your stance on it please - Page 33

Kutless · #**321** 03-09-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Balanced I say!!!!!!

Balanced until he wants to be used of God. Then its conformity to an opinion.

It doesn't matter what you think. Some instances it doesn't even matter what the Bible says. It all comes down to your pastors opinion. You want to be used? Conform, push your own convictions aside and do what your told.

Put up! Shut up! and Line up!

LadyChocolate · #**322** 03-09-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Thanks. I agree with you and believe that you have the right to choose as well. However, the things you propose for yourself above can't be spread across the board as we have culture to also consider. I know you are aware that in some countries, a man without a beard is considered to be somewhat inferior or shamed.

You are white and speak as such. Nothing wrong with that. I never met a hippie who was anything but white. That leads me to believe the precendent for no beards was set up by white men.

In this country, we have so many races and cultures that I'm sure there isn't a soul alive that can keep up with the constant changes. I guess my point is, in the past anyway, white men have tried to maintain that standard from the 60's and apply it to all men everywhere. Therefore, I don't understand the statement that any man having a beard is somehow hiding himself.

In the minds of many people in the church, I have to wonder what percentage are white who believe that beards are associated with elements that aren't wholesome. Do you see what I mean?

Another element is that the female hippies had long hair, yet we didn't start preaching to our women that we shouldn't wear ours as they did because of the influence of their culture.

One would have to be about 60 yrs old to remember the hippie days and what it represented. There aren't that many people in the church who are that age and above, so the teachings about those days are quite confusing to the younger generation. And I read where you said that you don't teach such, but many still do.

I hope I've been clear in my ideas and thoughts here. It's still early and I haven't had coffee yet.

.... the hippies didn't take baths and they smoked a lot of weeeeeeeeed dude!!! groooovvy!!!

HeavenlyOne · #**323** 03-09-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

.... the hippies didn't take baths and they smoked a lot of weeeeeeeeed dude!!! groooovvy!!!

Nasty!

LadyChocolate · #**324** 03-09-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

Balanced until he wants to be used of God. Then its conformity to an opinion.

It doesn't matter what you think. Some instances it doesn't even matter what the Bible says. It all comes down to your pastors opinion. You want to be used? Conform, push your own convictions aside and do what your told.

Put up! Shut up! and Line up!

This line of thinking bothers me....NO one is holding you hostage in a church... If you don't like the way the pastor does things...leave..... If you want to be used in that church, it's simple....conform....the decision is yours. I 've been there and done that.......There were many things my husband and I did or didn't do because we wanted to be used in the church. Somethings are just more important....But don't stay and complain and gripe because that IS a Sin and sowing discord is going to get you into a lot more trouble with God than a pastor trying to stay away from beard.....

COOPER · #**325** 03-09-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You can neither see nor enter the Kingdom without being born again.
So it matters not how loving or sweet a trinity church is, nobody is going to heaven by their doctrine.

The two are not even in the same world, much less comparable.

I believe Acts2:38 oneness and teach my children this.
It does matter.
My children have truth with out bondage.
Upc needs no-one to teach them Acts2:38.
But It is easier to share more truth trinity churches than to ever change upc.

Coonskinner · #**326** 03-09-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

Balanced until he wants to be used of God. Then its conformity to an opinion.

It doesn't matter what you think. Some instances it doesn't even matter what the Bible says. It all comes down to your pastors opinion. You want to be used? Conform, push your own convictions aside and do what your told.

Put up! Shut up! and Line up!

While you are tilting at windmills and drying up, I will just shave evry morning and do the work of God.

Coonskinner · #**327** 03-09-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

I believe Acts2:38 oneness and teach my children this.
It does matter.
My children have truth with out bondage.
Upc needs no-one to teach them Acts2:38.
But It is easier to share more truth trinity churches than to ever change upc.

And every time you lead them into a trinity church, you are devaluing the truth of Acts 2:38 in their minds, and subjecting them to influences that are going to bend them in ways you won't like later,and can't currently foresee.

That is going to be sad.

You are teaching them by example that doing your own thing is more of a priority than truth.

there are three dimensions of truth:

1.Experience--You got the Holy Ghost and got baptixed in Jesus Name.

2.Doctrine--You found in the Word substantiation for your experience.

3.Fellowship--You align yoursleves with those of like precious faith, forsaking error.

You need all three, Coop, if you aren't going to regress.

Digging4Truth · #**328** 03-09-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I would say you are correct in assuming that it is losing its stigma.

And since this is clearly something that is a Romans 14 issue, I have no problem with that.

But I will not create disunity among the believers I fellowship over something so small.

That is a very small concession for ministry in my opinion.

Yes sir...

Brother CS... I do not and would not ask you to come away from your stance here.

But... if you will... allow me to assert what I see and please don't weigh it as being against you or your stance.... I would just like to leave my thoughts on this subject with you.

It is my understanding that oneness apostolics have converted fewer than 1% of this worlds population to the gospel that we know and love.

It seems to be a bit of a mystery to me that we would hold onto to something that might cause some disunity with the 99+% that are out there and still lost and need to be reached in favor of keeping good fellowship with the <1% of the world that are already saved.

If were to make such a change and found ourselves ostracized by some (most likely not all) in that band of fellowship then, in all probability none of them would backslide over it. They may call that pastor backsliden but not a soul would probably be lost in the Kingdom.

When those who we may possibly alienate are so overwhelmingly larger than the small company we seek to maintain relationship with... In my economy... it is worth the cost.

But... as I said... these are my thoughts.

Kutless · #**329** 03-09-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

This line of thinking bothers me....NO one is holding you hostage in a church... If you don't like the way the pastor does things...leave..... If you want to be used in that church, it's simple....conform....the decision is yours. I 've been there and done that.......There were many things my husband and I did or didn't do because we wanted to be used in the church. Somethings are just more important....But don't stay and complain and gripe because that IS a Sin and sowing discord is going to get you into a lot more trouble with God than a pastor trying to stay away from beard.....

This is the line of thinking that bothers me. The suggestion is always made that if you are uncomfortable with things or maybe have personality conflicts then just pack up your family and leave. I cannot agree that church hopping is the answer. I think that maybe that we should just get in the word and not push agendas that it does not support. Bro MOW said the other day that too many saints have drank the elixir that disagreement is always rebellious. That couldn't be further from the truth.

BTW I do not have a beard. The reason is because I want to be used on the platform. I am conforming. But I still think its ridiculous

Also my last post was a little harsh. Sorry Lady Chocolate. Here have a piece of dark chocolate with pecans and sprinkles.