Facial Hair - Your stance on it please - Page 34

Digging4Truth · #**331** 03-09-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

This line of thinking bothers me....NO one is holding you hostage in a church... If you don't like the way the pastor does things...leave..... If you want to be used in that church, it's simple....conform....the decision is yours.

What a coincidence... this line of thinking bothers me.

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I 've been there and done that.......There were many things my husband and I did or didn't do because we wanted to be used in the church. Somethings are just more important....

I totally agree.... some things are more important. I won't elucidate beyond that.

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

But don't stay and complain and gripe because that IS a Sin and sowing discord is going to get you into a lot more trouble with God than a pastor trying to stay away from beard.....

Making a stand against a nonbiblical teaching is sowing discord?

Jesus was quite the discord sower himself from time to time.

Michael The Disciple · #**332** 03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You can neither see nor enter the Kingdom without being born again.

So it matters not how loving or sweet a trinity church is, nobody is going to heaven by their doctrine.

The two are not even in the same world, much less comparable.

On the other hand Acts 2:38 is not the all to end all doctrine either. An experience of repenting, being baptized into the name of Jesus and receiving the Spirit is INITIAL salvation.

This is followed by a walk wherein one LOVES THE TRUTH. Not just PART of the truth.

There are many crooked Politicians and Salesmen in this world who mostly go around in suits. Why is there no compulsion to get Apostolic men out of suits? After all they are ASSOCIATED with worldliness right? Wall Street Types?

Yet most Preachers will ENCOURAGE wearing them. Now this is not to start a suit war but to show the double standard that Apostolic Traditional Preachers are binding upon men.

LadyChocolate · #**333** 03-09-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutless

This is the line of thinking that bothers me. The suggestion is always made that if you are uncomfortable with things or maybe have personality conflicts then just pack up your family and leave. I cannot agree that church hopping is the answer. I think that maybe that we should just get in the word and not push agendas that it does not support. Bro MOW said the other day that too many saints have drank the elixir that disagreement is always rebellious. That couldn't be further from the truth.

BTW I do not have a beard. The reason is because I want to be used on the platform. I am conforming. But I still think its ridiculous

Also my last post was a little harsh. Sorry Lady Chocolate. Here have a piece of dark chocolate with pecans and sprinkles.

I guess I did make it sound easy to just pack of and leave..... I know it isn't ...And no, church hopping is not the answer....Things aren't always going to be perfect......I've been in some pretty rough situations at church. We've taken the low road many times. In our case, disagreement was considered rebellion.....because it was said that if the pastor doesn't like it, then it should become law.....THat is when we had to say farewell. But somethings are just tooooo minor to be contensious over.....

BTW...thanks for the chocolate...it was very good!

LadyChocolate · #**334** 03-09-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

What a coincidence... this line of thinking bothers me.

I totally agree.... some things are more important. I won't elucidate beyond that.

Making a stand against a nonbiblical teaching is sowing discord?

Jesus was quite the discord sower himself from time to time.

I am referring to saints who stay in a church and talk to others about how this is wrong and the pastor shouldn't do this and the pastor is wrong on this... That is pretty much what I am saying...and that is usually what happens when unhappy people remain in a church.... Things should be done decently and in order... that's what i'm meaning.. because you never know when you are going to cause another brother to stumble because of the words you have spoken....

Talk to the pastor,,,,,,not others......more harm is done that way...

Digging4Truth · #**335** 03-09-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I guess I did make it sound easy to just pack of and leave..... I know it isn't ...And no, church hopping is not the answer....Things aren't always going to be perfect......I've been in some pretty rough situations at church. We've taken the low road many times. In our case, disagreement was considered rebellion.....because it was said that if the pastor doesn't like it, then it should become law.....THat is when we had to say farewell. But somethings are just tooooo minor to be contensious over.....

BTW...thanks for the chocolate...it was very good!

Thanks for clarifying...

I recant any portion of my last post that is not in keeping with your true feelings.

God bless....

Digging4Truth · #**336** 03-09-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I am referring to saints who stay in a church and talk to others about how this is wrong and the pastor shouldn't do this and the pastor is wrong on this... That is pretty much what I am saying...and that is usually what happens when unhappy people remain in a church.... Things should be done decently and in order... that's what i'm meaning.. because you never know when you are going to cause another brother to stumble because of the words you have spoken....

Yes ma'am... you mean those who cause trouble and love it. Those who do what they do because they enjoy the disruption.

In total and absolute agreement on that.

COOPER · #**337** 03-09-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

And every time you lead them into a trinity church, you are devaluing the truth of Acts 2:38 in their minds, and subjecting them to influences that are going to bend them in ways you won't like later,and can't currently foresee.

That is going to be sad.

You are teaching them by example that doing your own thing is more of a priority than truth.

there are three dimensions of truth:

1.Experience--You got the Holy Ghost and got baptized in Jesus Name.

2.Doctrine--You found in the Word substantiation for your experience.

3.Fellowship--You align yourselves with those of like precious faith, forsaking error.

You need all three, Coop, if you aren't going to regress.

That is just the Card toting Pastor coming out in you.

HeavenlyOne · #**338** 03-09-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

What a coincidence... this line of thinking bothers me.

I totally agree.... some things are more important. I won't elucidate beyond that.

Making a stand against a nonbiblical teaching is sowing discord?

Jesus was quite the discord sower himself from time to time.

And let's not forget that Paul rebuked Peter for requiring the Gentiles to follow a mandate that was for the Jews or they were considered in error.

HeavenlyOne · #**339** 03-09-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I am referring to saints who stay in a church and talk to others about how this is wrong and the pastor shouldn't do this and the pastor is wrong on this... That is pretty much what I am saying...and that is usually what happens when unhappy people remain in a church.... Things should be done decently and in order... that's what i'm meaning.. because you never know when you are going to cause another brother to stumble because of the words you have spoken....

Talk to the pastor,,,,,,not others......more harm is done that way...

I totally agree.